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explode the bazaar or eticket riders of

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the world of the paranoid strap yourself

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million as we traverse the universe

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exploring the unexplained UFO s ghost

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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NASA night

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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bizarre Timothy bikini and Tim

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Schwartz come on come and get me come on

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I know you can come on ah nice none

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shall pass yes they want to take back

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the night so it's not going to be that

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easy I swear come on come on you guys

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those Knights Templar I tell you they

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don't fight fair look at the size of

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those swords look at the size of the

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horses they're on it look at the size of

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I tell you you know I'm just exhausted

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from today and now and now I've got to

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come in Picea the Knights Templar I'm

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going to get a hold of that Holy Grail

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one way or another I'd a you know a

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been a busy a busy day I I was on this

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week's episode of the para cast and we

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we met you know we had on Jerry Clark

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who was on the last week talking about

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dr. J Allen Hynek and Allen Greenfield

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and right Rick hilberg and we had a

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brought in the Nazi Time Traveller's all

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not only am i we're doing the show

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tonight we got to fabulous guest on but

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sunday afternoon at noon

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I am co-hosting Paul II knows a program

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behind the paranormal which I'm very

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very honored that he has asked me and

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and so I've got a very active week being

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the king of all unpaid media well go

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that that that should be excited now is

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Paul's show I mean can you hear that

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anywhere else rather than just the area

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that is being broadcast oh yes it is

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broadcast live on the on the internet

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it's a station W oon you know just

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google it and and it's on at noon but of

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are up there and some fascinating

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listening but we talk about fascinating

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listening Tim what is your week been

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like well it has been a busy week for me

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as I have been working with a production

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company about possibly being involved in

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a leg up what would you call it a short

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series documentary series that's going

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about it I I see uh well we won't try to

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up will be able to pry some of that

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information from you but speaking of

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prying information we've got a heck of a

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lot of information that tonight to

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the word we might use so why don't we

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evening and wake up discussion oh

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definitely well tonight on exploring the

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bizarre our guests are renee brunette

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and brian allen we're going to be

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talking about the the whole idea that

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possibly jesus may not have died on the

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cross that he married Mary Magdalene and

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and at least Mary Magdalene fled with

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the Child Jesus or maybe children of

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Jesus to to France or you know that

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seems to be the prevailing theory and as

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Knights Templar which we just released a

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new book through I would say that's not

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yes that's how this all came about was

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because of hidden treasures of the

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Knights Templar with which both of our

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guests contributed a material to without

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them we would not have a hidden treasure

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to the Knights Templar and so tonight

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then we go in search of the of the of

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the treasure which could be located and

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almost anywhere I guess but I sometimes

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it seems that way like go ahead well I

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was going to say you know now Rene

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Burnett is a former print journalist

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producer specializing in entertainment

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series specials documentaries and

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reality based programming she's a

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veteran producer whose television

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credits include Ripley's Believe It or

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Not one of my favorite shows strange

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universe and the controversial

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documentary bloodline an investigation

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into the marriage of Jesus and Mary

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Magdalene and the shadowy organization

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The Priory of Sion

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Rene is also a host on night-vision

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radio on the inception radio network

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RC competing with how could she be on I

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want to ask her how can see a you know

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don't ad don't ask hey I'm with Brian go

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ahead okay well and also with us tonight

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is our very good friend Brian Allen who

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is the editor of the free online

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magazine phenomena now Brian is a

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scottish-born investigator researcher

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presenter scriptwriter and author whose

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specialty is the paranormal in all its

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diverse forms brian has been privileged

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to witness paranormal phenomena

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firsthand and has written about it in

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his books some of these books include

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the barriers of belief the view from the

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abyss Roselyn between two worlds and I

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noted as the discoverer of the

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mind-altering Roselyn frequency and

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believes that he may have discovered an

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existence the existence of a functioning

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portal within the Rosslyn Chapel and of

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course Brian is a contributor to the

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book we just mentioned the hidden

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treasures of the Knights Templar so Rene

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us tonight on exploring the bizarre also

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I think we should measure if you did

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mention it Tim that Brian is the editor

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of phenomena magazine which is a online

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publication that's read by tens of

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thousands all over the world yes yes

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that was going to ha oh my god we got a

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subject here now it has he okay the the

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concept of the hidden treasures of the

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Knights Templar was what what treasures

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of and we're we're the Knights buried

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them I guess I suppose that's kind of

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the theme of the book but there's a lot

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of a lot that you have to get to before

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worked on this movie you were one of the

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producers of bloodline well I was

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and just became enthralled with the

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subject matter and kind of obsessed with

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it and was finally able to bring it to

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the screen in 2008 in bloodline alright

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well why don't you explain what exactly

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what the the theme the theme is and how

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you ended up in Rendlesham toe my

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predecessor correctly yeah

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rennes-le-chateau yeah well we started

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production company with a British

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producer named Bruce Burgess and we were

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working together and I was already kind

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of captivated with southwest France

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unexplained inexplicably because I've

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found out about the this treasure story

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in this little village of southern

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France called Brenly chateau and a

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strange mystery involving a

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saunière so it was very fascinating the

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story but the other thing that was

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involved was this idea of a temple

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treasure being somewhere in the region

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of Renoir Chateau it's kind of accepted

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history that they did at least bring

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some of the treasure to that region

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whether or not it still remains there

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around but at least at some point and

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exclusively but to included the

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treasures of the Temple of Solomon which

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would have been of course the Ark of the

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seven-branch candlestick and other

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Temple treasures that are very well

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known so that's part of what's supposed

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are body egg that there is a body or all

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our bodies buried in the area of great

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importance there's a legend that a posh

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many many years to be that it to be some

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kind of a burial place for the

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patriarchs that were moved you know

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safekeeping because it was supposed to

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be an area a refuge that's another

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legend about the area it is supposed to

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be a refuge from the apocalypse and we

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saw that when we had the big Mayan scare

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in December of 2012 when many many

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people flocked to that region of

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southern France I mean even the Wall

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Street Journal did a story on it in all

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the major networks of this teeny tiny

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village called bruja rash which is at

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the foot of the strange mountain they

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call it the upside-down Mountain because

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the geology on the on the bottom is

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newer than the geology on the top though

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they assume that at some point it

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somehow flipped in some sort of a plate

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shift or earthquake or something like

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that that's also the same place where

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they are there's rumored to be UFOs

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coming in and out of that mountain it's

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the same mountain that captivated

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our artists and authors like Jewel Verne

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who wrote to the center of the earth

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they feel inspired by that and Clovis

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guard enter his one of his main

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characters in that book is called

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captain Booga rash so I'm going on and

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on and on it's just because there's so

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much it's involved in this little place

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which just totally captivated us and

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that was one of the reasons that it took

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us so long to actually get started on in

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earnest on our actual production which

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lasted about five years because we

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thought this is such a big subject how

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do we you know sort of wrestle it to the

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ground and and pull out a slice of it

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that we can concentrate on and are sort

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of raised on debt to ourselves was not

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so much to solve the mystery which would

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have been nice but just to add something

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new to spark the conversation because

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there really hadn't been anything that

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really had added to the conversation

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since 1982 when the author Spade Julian

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Lincoln came out with Holy Blood Holy

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Grail so that's what we wanted to do was

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move the subject along a little bit and

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I think we may have done that we

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certainly sparked a conversation a lot

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of well now it seems like that the

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priests they're maybe they're trying to

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pronounce us on song yeah my president

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correctly that's right yeah okay as

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everyone knows I'm really really careful

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with that would try and pronounce names

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properly but you know it seems like that

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that this gentleman really was was the

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beginning focus of about this whole

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controversy I mean here you hear you had

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this very poor or seemingly poor priest

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just all of a sudden you know come into

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controversy on where this money came

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from and it's just a to me

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just of just very very odd how all of

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this came about with him and I mean and

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they're still I mean to this day

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everybody you know still is arguing on

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if he actually did you know uncover a

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treasure after finding that that little

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notes or if it was all just um

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tithing that that's not the correct word

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but they called it they call it cemani

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which that's it yeah which is taking

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money to offer up prayers for rich

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people basically yeah well to make sure

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you get into heaven that's right that's

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enough

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yeah you can pay your way into heaven

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these days I guess or at least in those

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days what what know what what when when

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are we talking about exactly I mean ah

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so near came in the late 1800s I forget

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the exact year maybe 93 or something and

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I believe he died in 1917 okay and what

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what was his background I mean why did

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he come to this particular church

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interesting you should say that you know

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it is kind of a strange little outpost

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it you know I there was speculation that

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it was almost like a punishment too but

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then again when you look at it Sonya was

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born and grew up in the village of

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Monticello which is only you know

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probably less than five miles from

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Rennes le Chateau it's very very nearby

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the other thing is and I hope I'm not

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letting the cat out of the bag and my

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friend will forgive me I hope is I have

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a good friend court Lindell who is doing

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a lot of research into these family

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connections and it's just unbelievable

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when you really start to dig the

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connections that you can make and he was

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just skyping them a moment ago that he

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had found some very very interesting

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blood connections with Sonya and certain

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families and so that's all I'm going to

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say be something new coming

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what do you think that he was placed

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there I mean for a purchase it did

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somebody in the hierarchy of the of the

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church know that there might have been a

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hidden treasure underneath of the church

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there or in the village somewhere well I

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don't know if I mean certainly that has

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become sort of what am I thinking in

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recent years that it was sort of a

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manipulation that he was he was there

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for a reason and whether I like to for

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the fall guy or the guy that was where I

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met the frontman I mean if some of the

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stuff that court windowless is coming up

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with it's really true which I have no

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doubt that it is I mean he's one of

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those kind of nuts-and-bolts researcher

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guys that really just dig through facts

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then it could have been something I I

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think it might not have even been a

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Vatican manipulation but maybe a

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priority of Zion manipulation if there

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indeed is such an organization and I

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have met you know people who do purport

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to be representatives of priority Sion

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particularly one man that was in our

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film well we had two but one man in

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particular I've had ongoing

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communication with over a decade by the

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name of Nicholas Heywood and he gave us

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a lot of our information and a lot of

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the sort of leads and we would just

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follow them he didn't ever give us

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outright conclusions but he would set us

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on a course from time to time so I think

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it could have been some kind of

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manipulation like that and if indeed

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Sean here was part of you know this

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so-called royal bloodline then you know

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perhaps it was those people whoever

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involved with the bloodlines be at the

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Priory or just those influential

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families that have always sort of pulled

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the strings especially in Europe well

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but he definitely definitely seemed

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though - I mean he came in poor but he

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didn't leave that way no no he didn't

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and it certainly is true that he was

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digging underneath the church and so the

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the question is not really what

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he was digging and found something but

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what it was he found

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did he really find a huge treasure or

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did he find documents heretical

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documents now not a lot of people know

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this but and I'm not going to give out

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her name and I'm I'm assuming she's even

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still alive I met an older woman in

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Toulouse France I was taken there by a

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gentleman by the name of Antoine cap GA

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who grandfather

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Marcel kPa was the bellringer at the

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church at the time of Sonya and he was

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there when stuff was found and and in

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fact Antoine who took me to see this

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lady is married to a woman who is the

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daughter of Noah Corbeau who bought

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Sonya's house the villa Betania there in

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really chateau and he took care of

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Sonya's so-called housekeeper confidante

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consort Marie denarnaud

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until her death in 1953 on the promise

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that before she died she would tell him

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the secret of the treasure of

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rennes-le-château well Marie had a

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stroke and was unable to communicate in

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any way now people assume that she

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didn't tell what it was but it might

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have been that she might have revealed

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it to Noah Corbeau and of course he was

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smart enough to keep it to himself but

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then no Corbeau was mysteriously killed

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and run off the road in a car accident

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so yeah so that's how that story goes

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but the old lady that I met in Toulouse

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showed us she had a lot of personal

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belongings of seigneurs including his

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journals and a lot of things that we

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could actually authenticate as being

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signers and she had jewelry that he

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found underneath and it it was it was

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Merovingian or you know i might be miss

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speaking it could have been Visigothic

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but I believe it was Merovingian pieces

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if I'm not mistaken either one would be

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valuable either one would be valuable

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than they mean a little something

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different because the variant of course

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were supposed to have been the bloodline

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of Jesus but it was interesting because

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she told me that you know she would she

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knew the seigneurs maid and housekeeper

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and became sort of her adopted daughter

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and she was going to I hear well yeah

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yeah and break coming up we're going to

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halt the conversation right there and

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we're going to get back to in a little

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while over there looking up at Brian

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it'll be a break we're going to get this

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most in-depth refined

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researches material your hostess Timothy

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Becca Lee Anton Swartz welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar on Tim Schwartz and

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what we bring Brian into the

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conversation now Tim Brian glad to have

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you with us tonight and you know we're

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we're talking about the you know

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Ga'Hoole Holy Blood Holy Grail idea and

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now your set of research seems to be on

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Rosslyn Chapel which has somehow managed

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to get itself involved with this this

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whole controversy over the centuries you

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want to tell me a little bit how you got

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interested in this and and how Rosslyn

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Chapel is a seems to be an intricate

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part of this mystery

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well sure Sam had the way thanks for

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having me on but I guess I got involved

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with this back in 1992 I came across an

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article about Rosslyn Chapel and one of

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the Scottish newspapers I had actually

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had the waited before that when the book

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the Holy Blood Holy Grail first came out

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and I was fortunate enough to meet that

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way and one of the guys actually wrote

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the book who's actually involved with

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the Sony our society which is the

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hardest you met honoree you met Henry

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Lincoln you had no one can yet I know I

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Andrea great you hand again yeah he

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lives across and Romish at all I think

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he Sobers low across there mo but Rama

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ban yeah I happen to I got to know Henry

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through this on-air society but anyway

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that's got nothing to do with Rosslyn

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Chapel but I got to know about the

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chapel I did some digging in the

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background of that paid a few visits the

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first time I went there it was just

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people just just a look

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see and the place was really really well

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done well use shall we say and it was

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until more recently than the stuff that

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you know realizing that the true tourist

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potential the place and doing up a

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little bit I'm not little took off after

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the you know the major film took off

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about it they know that the pentagirls

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mentioned it and of course it was stuff

510
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happened after that but prior to that I

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guess I first visited in 1998 about

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their seriously visited and I took some

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mediums along with men and that's when

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we discovered the existence of the

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portal but it wasn't until after that I

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guess till 2005 was the last time I

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visited in a serious business

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and we took along seven generate

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equipment with took along signal

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generators the whole bunch of stuff

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along with us and we recreated that the

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frequencies that we thought needed to be

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used in there and the place sonic we let

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up and took off and that was a table

525
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that lifted off my feet literally lifted

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off my feet that then front of this and

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this in Matthew author which is up in

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the lady chapel on the East End of the

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chapel and I got lifted off my feet

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there but wasted in the same spot she

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could give it arms I said they were

532
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drifting up and we think we came to when

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somewhere to opening this portal but

534
00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:21,160
since then the people administrate the

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chapel said that you can't do this

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it frightens away the pain guess so yeah

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really but yeah but that the thing was

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that at the time will load in before the

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you know the general public will load in

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00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:40,000
the could do stuff as long as we go

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before they came in and but since then

542
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:45,130
things have tightened up and the chapel

543
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:48,490
tends to you know remain fixed and what

544
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:50,290
they can prove rather than what they

545
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:54,970
can't prove but in the meantime we also

546
00:27:58,770 --> 00:27:56,770
discovered that that is a source of red

547
00:28:01,650 --> 00:27:58,780
light comes into the chapel twice a year

548
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:01,660
and whatnot we think this red late may

549
00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:04,870
also been there instrumental it as part

550
00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:06,860
of opening this portal

551
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:10,800
but the red late that I mentioned it

552
00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:15,090
comes in through a canal Jeff which is

553
00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:17,790
above that the Rose window the east end

554
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,070
of the chapel and it's actually a red

555
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,080
crystal of some sort but set into the

556
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:24,480
stonework and this has been their goal

557
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:27,960
since the 14th century and then it was

558
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:29,610
deliberately designed to do this but

559
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:33,330
it's published like I say we think may

560
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:34,890
have been designed as part of a process

561
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:38,790
there to either open the portal or it

562
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,830
may have actually been designed through

563
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:42,840
a spotted red light or met rucifee

564
00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:45,330
Christ because I think at one point

565
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:49,230
there was a crucifix or a something of

566
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,050
that came hung from the roof of the

567
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:54,360
chapel and this red light was designed

568
00:29:00,020 --> 00:28:57,020
this at the shading at twice a year but

569
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:00,030
legacy as far as my research at the

570
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:02,850
chapel went I haven't been back for some

571
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:04,920
time though on a serious basis because I

572
00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:06,090
get involved in too many different

573
00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:09,390
things but I will see that as far as

574
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:12,600
Roma chateaus because them and the

575
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:14,430
treasure that may or may not have been

576
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:17,820
found there was mostly information and I

577
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:20,550
think that Sonia was actually holding

578
00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:23,370
the judge to ransom and that's what his

579
00:29:27,290 --> 00:29:25,560
money came from although you mentioned

580
00:29:30,050 --> 00:29:27,300
simony which is quite correct it was

581
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,060
also made of money or seeing masses and

582
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,080
stuff and his own private chapel but as

583
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,000
to whether there is a concrete treasure

584
00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:38,100
in terms of gold and silver and jewelry

585
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:40,350
and ornaments and stuff that's very

586
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:43,770
difficult to see well now what's the

587
00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:46,530
history of Rosslyn Chapel

588
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:48,870
I mean who built it when was it built

589
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,470
and why was it built well it was built

590
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:54,480
by the center family back in the set and

591
00:30:00,140 --> 00:29:57,090
the 14th century but the reason why it

592
00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:00,150
was actually built as well again it's a

593
00:30:04,790 --> 00:30:03,180
matter of conjecture and you find stuff

594
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,800
in the book the Holy Blood Holy Grail

595
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:07,200
with talks with us but the reason why it

596
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:10,290
was built it might have been as purely

597
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:13,530
as a private chapel for the Sinclair

598
00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:16,620
family or it might have been part of a

599
00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:18,780
larger Cathedral with your leg that was

600
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:20,400
never actually finished

601
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:22,590
because the money ran out or it may have

602
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:24,450
been built as a spiritual machine

603
00:30:28,790 --> 00:30:26,310
because one other one of the mediums

604
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:28,800
that we took was acid back in the

605
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:31,860
nineties we decided that this was in

606
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:34,590
fact a spiritual machine that could be

607
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,500
actually steered and driven no is the

608
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:40,200
case it tends to fall in with MO and

609
00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:42,030
fear their own theories have formed at

610
00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:43,880
the table with existence of a portal

611
00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:47,070
that exists between two realities and

612
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,070
this portal and an amazing photograph of

613
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:52,380
this thing actually would think starting

614
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:55,710
to activate because what you see is a

615
00:31:00,290 --> 00:30:58,200
close-up of the author that they said

616
00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:00,300
Matthew alter which is a lake where the

617
00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:03,030
portal is actually is that Mac sweating

618
00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:07,590
it lifted off my feet there is an image

619
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:09,990
that when one of the mediums said

620
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,250
there's something happening at the altar

621
00:31:15,050 --> 00:31:13,260
and a thumb drew that on the fly I just

622
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:15,060
took up real quickly shuttered the

623
00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:17,610
camera and you can actually see a great

624
00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:19,800
the sensitively also that an illuminated

625
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:21,870
section and it's greatly limited as if

626
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:23,400
those look like are like I've slightly

627
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:26,130
been showing it but ahora a powerful way

628
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:28,110
to some came but there was no wait and

629
00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:31,110
source other than us you know that and

630
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:33,660
the chapel the time it wasn't taken by

631
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:35,310
flash because if it was fly she would

632
00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:36,840
see it beside the flight in the camera

633
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:38,670
wasn't on there was no external

634
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:41,220
formulating with this Center that the

635
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,770
actual in grilled cross in the center of

636
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:45,480
the author is actually greatly

637
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:47,430
illuminated as if there was an external

638
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,100
formal ate and there wasn't and will no

639
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,620
explanations of what caused that that to

640
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:54,720
wake up other than that the medium

641
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:56,220
seeing there's something happening at

642
00:31:59,960 --> 00:31:57,810
the author and that's what I took this

643
00:32:02,630 --> 00:31:59,970
photograph and they're obvious like I'm

644
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:02,640
sure you just know their forms but the

645
00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:04,230
presentation they're given I think it's

646
00:32:10,550 --> 00:32:06,300
also in the book rustling between two

647
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,560
worlds actually I put it in there but

648
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:13,020
the job right I I have a question on now

649
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:16,050
you talk about a portal where is it a

650
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:19,770
portal to we don't know that that's the

651
00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:22,200
truth of the matter and when we

652
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:26,420
originally found it and it there's a

653
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:28,950
probability at this okay no but let's

654
00:32:33,020 --> 00:32:31,350
mean when we found it the people were

655
00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:33,030
shot they come into the chapel because

656
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:34,220
it was off something as well

657
00:32:39,159 --> 00:32:36,490
half-past nine Taemin and morning and

658
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:39,169
there was like half a dozen of us in the

659
00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:41,150
chapel standing to vote and one in the

660
00:32:44,289 --> 00:32:42,679
medium they start they wouldn't a trance

661
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:44,299
and this is Katie

662
00:32:49,690 --> 00:32:45,860
you know drawn attention a little bit

663
00:32:52,029 --> 00:32:49,700
and she says that she could see the the

664
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:52,039
hands reaching through this asking us to

665
00:32:56,289 --> 00:32:54,289
bring them through but it wasn't cleared

666
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:56,299
ever was hands reaching for us to bring

667
00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:57,710
them through they wanted us to go

668
00:33:03,159 --> 00:32:59,690
through them but asked her where this

669
00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:03,169
that this portal goes I have no idea I

670
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:06,470
don't know nobody does and they would

671
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:09,770
hope but it's either that or the portal

672
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:12,799
was designed to hide information it was

673
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,270
like a bank vault if you awake they

674
00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:16,640
could only be opened under their the

675
00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:18,740
most strict their you know we're doing

676
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:20,630
it possible of it nobody could actually

677
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,460
stumble upon this nope not by accident

678
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:24,799
what do you think do you think that the

679
00:33:34,390 --> 00:33:28,610
portal then could have been used in one

680
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:34,400
time if not even now to hide or preserve

681
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:39,770
some of these goods I mean whether it be

682
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:44,770
gold or manuscripts or the Holy Grail or

683
00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:47,090
the Ark of the Covenant we've heard that

684
00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:50,120
mentioned as you know as being part of

685
00:33:57,789 --> 00:33:54,100
the Knights Templars a treasure trove

686
00:33:59,470 --> 00:33:57,799
well I'm going to burnish this guy's

687
00:34:03,130 --> 00:33:59,480
your guess is as good as mine because

688
00:34:04,779 --> 00:34:03,140
because no one really knows and as far

689
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:04,789
as the treasures of the Templar go I

690
00:34:10,419 --> 00:34:07,220
know that the Rosslyn Chapel that has

691
00:34:12,070 --> 00:34:10,429
been accepted that some of the Templar

692
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:12,080
treasure was there although for that

693
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:13,669
treasure is what we don't really know

694
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:16,970
and if it was gold and jewels well and

695
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,460
good if it wasn't if it was effort with

696
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:21,919
documents or Scrolls or some other

697
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,290
artifact we don't know that either in

698
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:26,960
fact the truth is nobody knows who the

699
00:34:32,169 --> 00:34:28,970
Templar treasure Templar treasure was

700
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:32,179
but it is known obviously the choices

701
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:33,830
that the Templars are fantastically

702
00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:35,960
wealthy well they were they were the

703
00:34:39,970 --> 00:34:36,980
first I guess

704
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:39,980
bankers but now I'm recording according

705
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:42,409
to a legend and this is from doing

706
00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:45,830
research on our on our book that you

707
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:47,480
worked on

708
00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:50,810
they had gotten the holy I guess the

709
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:52,280
Holy Grail in the Ark of the Covenant if

710
00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:55,490
you believe that by sack I guess the

711
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:57,560
word would be sacking the original King

712
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Solomon temple yeah that is correct is

713
00:35:05,859 --> 00:35:03,410
knowing that they were down in the

714
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:05,869
bowels of earth below below Solomon's

715
00:35:10,359 --> 00:35:08,180
Temple but what the phone did again is

716
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:10,369
anybody's guess but what I was going to

717
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:13,580
say it has been calculated that the isil

718
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,250
Templar wealth actually created

719
00:35:21,609 --> 00:35:18,560
switzerland as an international monetary

720
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,619
hub and because the way that sweat

721
00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:23,119
settled is read at least lead it was the

722
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:25,060
various Canton's and so forth is

723
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:27,290
isolated and they were much the same way

724
00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:29,750
that the Templar hierarchical et cetera

725
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:32,060
it's it's it's a Jena command if you

726
00:35:37,330 --> 00:35:34,609
like so it's more late with the

727
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:37,340
Switzerland became a world financial hub

728
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:39,890
through Templar money that would make a

729
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:44,600
lot of sense well okay let's say let's

730
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:48,200
just hypothetically for the for the the

731
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:51,290
show here our purposes of of getting

732
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:54,050
down to the root of this now if there

733
00:35:59,710 --> 00:35:57,410
was treasure that was I say buried in

734
00:36:02,109 --> 00:35:59,720
whether it was in the through the portal

735
00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:02,119
or in the basement or underneath the the

736
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:05,780
found foundation there is some

737
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:08,720
speculation that it was removed from

738
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:12,200
there and taken to Oak Island now we'll

739
00:36:18,099 --> 00:36:15,290
get to that in a little while I want to

740
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:18,109
jump the gun but if that is the case

741
00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:20,930
when do you think the the treasure would

742
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:26,150
have been removed well we know that they

743
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:31,070
the and the Templars went to Jerusalem

744
00:36:34,590 --> 00:36:32,690
Oh went to the Holy Land shall we see

745
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:34,600
not long after the were formed and

746
00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:37,130
because the word of originally formed as

747
00:36:40,210 --> 00:36:38,780
you probably know to protect the

748
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:40,220
pilgrims who were traveling back and

749
00:36:45,790 --> 00:36:43,850
forth to the Holy Land but the very

750
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:45,800
rapidly realized that the position was

751
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:47,390
unique and that they didn't answer to

752
00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:51,050
anybody except the Pope and they use

753
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,150
this position I think to create

754
00:36:57,580 --> 00:36:55,760
themselves as a singular body

755
00:36:59,530 --> 00:36:57,590
I think shimla powerful body but

756
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,540
actually when when the treasure was

757
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:00,640
removed

758
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:04,720
be sometime I think in the early 14th

759
00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:06,430
century not long after the but actually

760
00:37:11,339 --> 00:37:08,140
created in the first place so it's been

761
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:11,349
around for quite a long time ok well now

762
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:13,950
who if they took the treasure out well

763
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:16,510
ok you're saying that this the 14th

764
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:19,450
century now yeah we're people visiting

765
00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:23,529
the the the Rosslyn Chapel at that time

766
00:37:28,529 --> 00:37:26,349
I mean obviously now it's I in fact it

767
00:37:30,569 --> 00:37:28,539
was just a show on PBS here the tapping

768
00:37:32,759 --> 00:37:30,579
on the television network yesterday I

769
00:37:34,799 --> 00:37:32,769
didn't see at all but they did a tour

770
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:34,809
the very good show actually did a tour

771
00:37:42,059 --> 00:37:39,160
of the Rosslyn Chapel where people

772
00:37:44,910 --> 00:37:42,069
coming and going in that area at the the

773
00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:44,920
time or would have this location only

774
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:48,369
been known to to a few select Knights or

775
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,210
people or oh well to be honest a bit

776
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:54,400
this the chapel wasn't built until the

777
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:57,130
15th century so it would go a long time

778
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,210
after that

779
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,920
and the chapel was built over a period

780
00:38:04,589 --> 00:38:01,599
evidence that there are forty years it

781
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:04,599
didn't get so spring up over mate so as

782
00:38:08,279 --> 00:38:06,460
lately that there was an attempt of

783
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,289
treasure this would come in via the

784
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:11,680
Sinclair family who supposedly under

785
00:38:14,789 --> 00:38:13,000
fear supposedly because there is

786
00:38:17,069 --> 00:38:14,799
absolutely no proof of this that they

787
00:38:19,019 --> 00:38:17,079
would actually said Templar supporters a

788
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,029
lotta certainly that their what they

789
00:38:23,819 --> 00:38:21,359
were Roman Catholics so obviously and

790
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:23,829
the religion would play a big part in

791
00:38:28,859 --> 00:38:26,470
this and their leaders to the to the

792
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:28,869
papacy at the Vatican although but it

793
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:32,740
turned out it turned out a later on that

794
00:38:37,769 --> 00:38:35,980
they had a big the Vatican had a big

795
00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:37,779
uprising against the Knights Templar

796
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:39,880
right I mean then they put him they burn

797
00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:41,890
him at the stake is being heretics and

798
00:38:46,799 --> 00:38:45,160
so forth let's just hold up with us it

799
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,809
wasn't the Vatican that had an uprising

800
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:49,119
against the Knights Templar it was King

801
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,640
Philip of France the King Philip of

802
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:54,160
France his policeman was the poor part

803
00:38:58,259 --> 00:38:56,680
that same because he made sure that that

804
00:38:59,700 --> 00:38:58,269
he was at control in the Catholic Church

805
00:39:03,690 --> 00:38:59,710
rather than other way around

806
00:39:06,509 --> 00:39:03,700
but the problem was that King Philip of

807
00:39:08,849 --> 00:39:06,519
France would the Templars blessed his

808
00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:08,859
kingdom in terms of money that they was

809
00:39:12,779 --> 00:39:11,559
he was indebted to them and the quickest

810
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:12,789
way he could get rid of this was

811
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:14,170
baguette with other Templars and their

812
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:14,480
bike

813
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:16,940
canceling the debt so they created as

814
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:18,260
you probably know that there's whole

815
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:21,410
stream of stuff that they did that the

816
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,060
Templars did this that did that that did

817
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:24,800
the next thing that what absolute

818
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:26,690
heretics and this is the only way they

819
00:39:32,590 --> 00:39:29,420
could their feet justify the persecution

820
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:32,600
of the Templars but having said that the

821
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,850
Templars themselves had gone to this

822
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:36,880
time and then an immensely powerful

823
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:39,110
organization that all the royal houses

824
00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:40,970
in fact most of the countries in Europe

825
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,350
were that they would indebted to them

826
00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:45,200
and one way or another so and the thing

827
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:46,760
was that the Templars a law they were

828
00:39:51,070 --> 00:39:49,040
extensively religious organization which

829
00:39:53,410 --> 00:39:51,080
was why they originally set up had

830
00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:53,420
become so wealthy so powerful there were

831
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:56,150
basically beyond the law simply because

832
00:39:59,860 --> 00:39:58,370
they reported direct the Vatican and to

833
00:40:02,650 --> 00:39:59,870
no one else ed that the kings the

834
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:02,660
princes all the royal families the legal

835
00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:05,030
system did no apply to them because they

836
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:06,680
were open they were answerable only to

837
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:10,130
the Vatican and there were guys so bad

838
00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:12,200
that there was actually a saying that

839
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:14,030
the same was was to be as drunk as a

840
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:17,030
Templar that these people were not in

841
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:19,250
any way religious at the thing that gone

842
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:21,260
beyond that that they were living and

843
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,030
bidding doing exactly what they want to

844
00:40:27,460 --> 00:40:26,000
do as they wanted to do it but and I

845
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:27,470
think this is one of the reasons also

846
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:29,090
that King Philip wanted to get just

847
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:31,310
frankly to get rid of them want to

848
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:33,530
cancel the debt but also to to bring

849
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,730
them and to bring them down to

850
00:40:38,110 --> 00:40:36,560
manageable if you like well yeah in

851
00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:38,120
other words they they had gotten way too

852
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:41,750
powerful oh yeah absolutely were too

853
00:40:45,790 --> 00:40:44,330
powerful but the thing was that the

854
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:45,800
charges that were brought against them

855
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:48,530
had no foundation they were created

856
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:50,840
purely because heresy as you knew at

857
00:40:56,110 --> 00:40:54,410
that time what was we meant death so the

858
00:41:00,970 --> 00:40:56,120
plot it sounds like the politics of

859
00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:00,980
today hahaha yes same scheduling stuff

860
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,360
does go in the White House right now I

861
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:04,160
guess yeah

862
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:05,930
now this is supposed to be an escape

863
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:10,520
from all that yeah yeah well what do

864
00:41:14,770 --> 00:41:12,380
they say what goes around comes around I

865
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:14,780
guess right I mean I think history just

866
00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:17,990
history just repeats itself and again

867
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:20,060
what does it all have to do it money and

868
00:41:27,010 --> 00:41:23,330
wealth yeah oh oh was that no was will

869
00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:27,020
do because basically money for the well

870
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:28,340
a cup not it

871
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:30,650
equals power and the whole thing makes a

872
00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:32,810
wall around and there's very little we

873
00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:34,700
can do but unfortunately and the

874
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:36,740
Templars were no different they just get

875
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:38,990
too big they get to perform had to be

876
00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:40,420
shot down one way or another and

877
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:44,540
although maybe it was unjust never

878
00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:46,790
forget they did not worry put the entire

879
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:49,100
template or the beautiful when King

880
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:50,750
Philip they decreed this would happen

881
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,330
and because they know that their entire

882
00:41:59,140 --> 00:41:56,000
ceiling sleep left from the port of La

883
00:42:00,580 --> 00:41:59,150
Rochelle and every ship left from there

884
00:42:02,830 --> 00:42:00,590
and the donor what was aboard them that

885
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:02,840
they think that how do we know how many

886
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,810
ships I think there was twenty I think

887
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:07,280
the number was twenty or Churchill or

888
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:09,050
you know I'll stand to be created up I

889
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:10,160
think that they would run into the

890
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:11,510
twenties because it would there was an

891
00:42:22,660 --> 00:42:15,260
entire fleet was looted hey na na headed

892
00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:22,670
off to Newfoundland well who knows maybe

893
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,460
Afghan talking okay and well perhaps but

894
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:27,680
yes they think that some of the Templar

895
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:30,290
ships came up to Scotland some of them

896
00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:32,510
went elsewhere and also some of the

897
00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:34,940
church I went over land as well because

898
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:37,190
a lot of the terms of mates ended up in

899
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:38,900
Germany where they became the Teutonic

900
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:41,510
Knights and a lot the temp some of the

901
00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:43,790
Templars ended up in the UK's I thought

902
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:45,350
it also ended up in England as well as

903
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,200
Scotland because the people boo had not

904
00:42:52,090 --> 00:42:50,480
been laid out in the UK at they'd say

905
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:52,100
well it wasn't the UK it was England and

906
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:54,380
Scotland but the people boo hadn't been

907
00:42:59,350 --> 00:42:57,170
read out here so consequently as far as

908
00:43:03,010 --> 00:42:59,360
that the the foes would be here were

909
00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:03,020
concerned the the Templars had done no

910
00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:05,420
wrong so they were allowed to fight here

911
00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:06,980
in fact it was that there was a template

912
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:09,350
contingent thought that the Battle of

913
00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:11,720
Bannockburn which was a cessation of

914
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,030
Scotland from England and you know the

915
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:16,400
Templars continued continued to wield a

916
00:43:21,610 --> 00:43:17,780
lot of power here in Scotland for many

917
00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:21,620
years hmm can I ask Brian a question

918
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:24,590
guys well the horse darling we did this

919
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:26,900
is what we do here this is our personal

920
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:30,410
living room great wonderful right in the

921
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:32,090
middle right in the middle of Rosslyn

922
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:35,480
Chapel well you know first of all and I

923
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:37,310
won't go into this now maybe a little

924
00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:39,310
bit later there are several correlations

925
00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:41,900
that I picked up from what

926
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:43,700
you were talking about about Rosslyn

927
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:47,450
Chapel and about Renly chateau and that

928
00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:49,790
location and I wanted to ask you about

929
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:52,100
those but first you know we were talking

930
00:43:57,820 --> 00:43:55,970
about the Knights Templar and who you

931
00:44:00,820 --> 00:43:57,830
know who actually rounded them up and

932
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:00,830
and sort of disbanded them and you're

933
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:03,110
absolutely right you know certainly they

934
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:05,030
weren't all killed they sort of

935
00:44:11,130 --> 00:44:08,300
dispersed and as you said some went out

936
00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:11,140
on fleets and some went to other places

937
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:14,620
but I wondered if you had any opinion

938
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:17,210
that you could share Brian on that

939
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:20,150
chignon document that sheen on parchment

940
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,390
that was discovered I think in 2001 by

941
00:44:30,180 --> 00:44:26,240
the paleontologist Barbara Frawley at

942
00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:30,190
the Vatican secret archives and where it

943
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:35,180
actually showed that pope clement v had

944
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,570
pardoned the Knights Templar in 1308 and

945
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:40,880
of course we didn't nobody knew about

946
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:44,150
this until 2001 do you have any opinions

947
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:48,680
about number one why that was suppressed

948
00:44:54,130 --> 00:44:50,330
I guess that might be kind of obvious

949
00:44:58,510 --> 00:44:54,140
but also why in 2001 did they release

950
00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:58,520
that well kinesio firmest up well thank

951
00:45:02,350 --> 00:44:59,630
you for telling me but that's really

952
00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:02,360
because this is you know only had not

953
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,040
many people had there was it never had a

954
00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:07,040
quite frankly oh wow yeah well I've

955
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:09,260
never had about it because what what you

956
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,810
should understand is that this is only

957
00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:14,000
you know one of the subjects I'm very

958
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:16,280
interested in I mean I hold no wrote in

959
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:18,290
twelve thirteen books now when a whole

960
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:21,710
range of subjects and yeah I know I saw

961
00:45:26,830 --> 00:45:25,310
your work it's amazing so I mean as far

962
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:26,840
as I'm concerned that this is the first

963
00:45:32,350 --> 00:45:28,940
potato with this this thing had been

964
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:32,360
found and then the archive so you think

965
00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:34,010
maybe I'll send you a reference to it

966
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:35,750
you know you get a please please do

967
00:45:40,990 --> 00:45:38,210
absolutely absolutely yeah I remember

968
00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:41,000
when it came out and we were going oh my

969
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:43,640
goodness you know this is amazing and it

970
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,200
was a parchment document that was a

971
00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:51,680
decree by Pope Clement v that absolved

972
00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:53,950
the last grand master Jacques de Molay

973
00:45:57,730 --> 00:45:55,670
yeah

974
00:46:00,120 --> 00:45:57,740
in the Knights Templar from charges

975
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:00,130
brought against them by the Inquisition

976
00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:01,370
alario

977
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:03,740
this avowedly rape because what let's

978
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,400
face it I mean the I shall straights at

979
00:46:12,010 --> 00:46:09,920
these guys are in and when they were the

980
00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:12,020
Inquisition got hold of them I mean

981
00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:13,670
these guys would say if you wanted them

982
00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:16,940
to see and so Jacques de Molay it's got

983
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:18,860
to be said it was quite an amazing mind

984
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:20,180
but then again all the Templar

985
00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:23,180
grandmasters were I mean that the effect

986
00:46:27,370 --> 00:46:25,100
that they run the organisation and don't

987
00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:27,380
forget that the Templars were so

988
00:46:30,610 --> 00:46:29,150
powerful at the same that they literally

989
00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:30,620
were running the cut was running the

990
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:32,300
planet or the places that influence

991
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:35,150
anyway because it was their money it was

992
00:46:39,490 --> 00:46:36,950
financed on every single oil host in

993
00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:39,500
Europe and any place that influence so

994
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:41,600
like I said before you could understand

995
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:44,090
why it was in the interest of bulking

996
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:46,670
Phillip and in this case to get rid of

997
00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:49,790
them but late you say I come there's no

998
00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:51,560
supplies at the work table that the

999
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:53,120
we're actually publicly thought and

1000
00:46:58,090 --> 00:46:55,720
because in effect other than between

1001
00:47:00,250 --> 00:46:58,100
inconvenient and end of the power and

1002
00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:00,260
wealth they've done really nothing else

1003
00:47:06,310 --> 00:47:02,870
wrong so it'd be quite appropriate for

1004
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:06,320
the M foot foot father for the air that

1005
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:08,180
the fourth department if they actually

1006
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:13,630
done nothing wrong mmm-hmm so true yep

1007
00:47:18,190 --> 00:47:16,580
all right well it's time to go to our

1008
00:47:19,630 --> 00:47:18,200
top of the hour break

1009
00:47:23,470 --> 00:47:19,640
so when we come back we will continue

1010
00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:23,480
our ceased on exploring the bizarre so

1011
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:34,110
[Music]

1012
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:39,250
explode the bazaar or e-ticket riders of

1013
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:42,560
the world of the paranoid strap yourself

1014
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:44,950
human as we traverse the universe

1015
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,420
exploring the unexplained UFO s ghost

1016
00:47:54,130 --> 00:47:51,760
lost world

1017
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:54,140
cryptozoology as well as other

1018
00:48:02,380 --> 00:47:58,010
dimensions it's time to take back the

1019
00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:02,390
next night now you are electrifying

1020
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:04,790
hosts of exploring the design

1021
00:48:14,590 --> 00:48:13,040
Timothy Begley and Kings Wars all right

1022
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:14,600
here we are back with exploring the

1023
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:18,100
bizarre and we have a question from Troy

1024
00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:21,530
from Texas and Tory wants to know can

1025
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:23,120
you explain how the current Freemasons

1026
00:48:27,790 --> 00:48:26,090
play into all this in regards to the

1027
00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:27,800
Knights Templar and I think Brian you

1028
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:31,160
have a answer to this well I have an

1029
00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:36,650
answer yeah there are various ideas

1030
00:48:42,610 --> 00:48:39,560
because there are various groups within

1031
00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:42,620
within the Freemasons that they appear

1032
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:47,240
to have temple links you know but if

1033
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:48,770
will they do have notice an entirely

1034
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:49,720
different matter

1035
00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:51,530
organizations like the order of the

1036
00:48:56,830 --> 00:48:55,070
solar temple you've got in Scotland he

1037
00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:56,840
look an organization called the ability

1038
00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:58,910
templates kosha which is all that you

1039
00:49:02,860 --> 00:49:00,440
know the lower three Templar Scotland

1040
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:02,870
now the whole claim to have Templar

1041
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:05,570
links and they all seem to be quasi

1042
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,450
Masonic organisations but but the truth

1043
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:10,880
is that whether there is a link between

1044
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:13,940
the Freemasons and the Knights Templar

1045
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:16,850
it depends you pay shivani th a choice

1046
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:18,650
because there are many organizations

1047
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:21,110
claiming to have links to the Knights

1048
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,570
Templar and and fight I do if any of

1049
00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:25,520
them do but there's no way of disproving

1050
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:28,940
this and so that this is why you have

1051
00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:30,770
different branches are alleging all

1052
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:32,600
claiming to be right because nobody can

1053
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,230
see them not so if somebody wants to

1054
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:38,480
believe that they're in the Freemasons

1055
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:40,850
and the three bases of involved the

1056
00:49:46,330 --> 00:49:42,710
Knights Templar well but well and good

1057
00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:46,340
but there are obvious specific Masonic

1058
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:47,480
degrees

1059
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:50,569
yeah and at levels which appear to them

1060
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:53,180
masonic links but whether this is

1061
00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:55,190
actually the genuine mates template as

1062
00:49:58,349 --> 00:49:56,869
anybody's guess because no one can

1063
00:50:01,150 --> 00:49:58,359
actually see cuz no one knows for sure

1064
00:50:03,849 --> 00:50:01,160
well well you know in our book the

1065
00:50:08,049 --> 00:50:03,859
hidden treasure of the Knights Templar

1066
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,059
Ambrose noble had contributed probably

1067
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:11,599
the largest section in the book it's

1068
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:13,970
almost I think almost two hundred pages

1069
00:50:19,539 --> 00:50:17,210
and so if anybody can explain it he I

1070
00:50:21,609 --> 00:50:19,549
guess he spent most of his life he's

1071
00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:21,619
deceased now but spend most of his life

1072
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:24,260
trying to I guess show the parallels

1073
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:26,380
between the Knights Templar and the

1074
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:29,240
Masonic Order but but basically the the

1075
00:50:33,579 --> 00:50:31,460
theory is or the speculation is is that

1076
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:33,589
the Knights Templar passed down a lot of

1077
00:50:39,099 --> 00:50:35,630
their information which is now

1078
00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:39,109
accessible if you know the I guess the

1079
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:44,260
the secrets of the Masonic symbolism but

1080
00:50:50,849 --> 00:50:47,030
again it's so open to speculation that

1081
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:50,859
how do you up again prove it or disprove

1082
00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:54,049
it I mean you've got a body of

1083
00:50:59,859 --> 00:50:56,020
information on the Knights Templar so

1084
00:51:02,680 --> 00:50:59,869
obviously the Masonic Order or whatever

1085
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,690
branch of it could have just simply you

1086
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:05,359
know like I've found out about that and

1087
00:51:10,539 --> 00:51:07,730
included in his part of it because it

1088
00:51:13,059 --> 00:51:10,549
certainly does add a lot of intrigue to

1089
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:13,069
the to the bat you know to the basin's I

1090
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:15,710
guess to say that you're the actual you

1091
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,240
know link to the Knights Templar but

1092
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:23,119
again it's a mystery inside an enigma

1093
00:51:30,430 --> 00:51:26,930
and I don't know if anybody can come

1094
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:30,440
forward to give us a definitive answer

1095
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,640
on it well as far as the links between

1096
00:51:40,660 --> 00:51:37,280
the Freemasons and the Templars go what

1097
00:51:43,059 --> 00:51:40,670
you got remember is that depending on

1098
00:51:47,650 --> 00:51:43,069
where you get this information that the

1099
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:47,660
Freemasons predate the EM the Knights

1100
00:51:52,780 --> 00:51:51,440
Templar but by centuries and if you want

1101
00:51:54,819 --> 00:51:52,790
to take the arguments this logical

1102
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,829
conclusion the claim that Freemasonry

1103
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:56,000
started with the building with the

1104
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,040
pyramids it developed through the

1105
00:52:01,210 --> 00:52:00,079
building of the cathedrals and

1106
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:01,220
over-estimate and the Sun

1107
00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:02,930
secrets that were actually passed on to

1108
00:52:08,589 --> 00:52:05,240
the edges where this actually where the

1109
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:08,599
makes template come into this tends to

1110
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:10,760
be and what them I think what the three

1111
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:12,710
missions have absorbed into themselves

1112
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:15,590
what it seems to suit because it have

1113
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,420
been several excellent books let my boat

1114
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:19,520
and the names just come to insure them

1115
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:21,650
ahead there's a couple of really

1116
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:24,650
excellent books biomass and mate and who

1117
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:26,090
have written about their that they are

1118
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:29,510
pumped template links to it to the M to

1119
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:31,750
the Freemasons but from my own

1120
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:35,510
experience myself I went over some years

1121
00:52:41,140 --> 00:52:39,920
ago then stop doing it but yeah I could

1122
00:52:43,870 --> 00:52:41,150
never see any links within the

1123
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:43,880
Freemasons and the template of why so

1124
00:52:47,170 --> 00:52:45,470
that went on the lodges but then again

1125
00:52:49,630 --> 00:52:47,180
it wasn't I wasn't particularly highly

1126
00:52:50,980 --> 00:52:49,640
placed with them I go to my sod degree

1127
00:52:53,290 --> 00:52:50,990
in mark degree than just been just

1128
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:53,300
doctor there because it gets can

1129
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:56,090
expenses after that but yeah I mean

1130
00:52:58,599 --> 00:52:57,410
that's interesting there's people want

1131
00:53:00,339 --> 00:52:58,609
to believe it well and good if it makes

1132
00:53:03,339 --> 00:53:00,349
them happy why not but there's

1133
00:53:06,609 --> 00:53:03,349
absolutely no proof it's an interesting

1134
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,619
correlation that they're both builders

1135
00:53:10,839 --> 00:53:08,480
you know the Templars were going to have

1136
00:53:13,329 --> 00:53:10,849
been builders and of course that's what

1137
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:13,339
you know the basis of Freemasonry is and

1138
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:16,490
there are a lot of sort of Templar

1139
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,270
values it appears to me within

1140
00:53:24,070 --> 00:53:20,480
Freemasonry

1141
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:24,080
but I don't think you know they claim or

1142
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,780
at least publicly they say that they are

1143
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,119
not directly connected to the Templars

1144
00:53:33,490 --> 00:53:32,480
but it could have been and I think this

1145
00:53:36,250 --> 00:53:33,500
is what you might have been saying

1146
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:36,260
branded some of those Templars might

1147
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:40,609
have been absorbed into in there might

1148
00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:42,890
have been sympathies among you know the

1149
00:53:46,839 --> 00:53:45,230
two groups do you think that's the

1150
00:53:49,570 --> 00:53:46,849
possibility is that what you were sort

1151
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:49,580
of referring to well what was actually

1152
00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:51,530
saying there was that the Templars did

1153
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:53,390
not create the Freemasons this as simple

1154
00:53:56,140 --> 00:53:53,839
as that

1155
00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:56,150
it was rather the other words owned that

1156
00:54:00,550 --> 00:53:58,520
that's right yeah the Freemasons would

1157
00:54:02,380 --> 00:54:00,560
have absorbed what they considered to be

1158
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:02,390
suitable for their own ends but the

1159
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:05,839
settlement that the end that the Knights

1160
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:07,310
Templar sentence did not create the

1161
00:54:12,220 --> 00:54:08,690
Freemasons it would be the other way

1162
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:12,230
around if anything I wonder I mean it

1163
00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:14,990
now this is pure speculation on my part

1164
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:18,080
but it would seem like if the you know

1165
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:20,270
Freemason network was already set up

1166
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:24,170
which it was that it might have been if

1167
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:26,570
there were some connections you know I

1168
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:28,700
mean we're talking about people after

1169
00:54:34,180 --> 00:54:30,890
all so there could have been some

1170
00:54:37,450 --> 00:54:34,190
sympathies among certain Freemasons for

1171
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:37,460
the Templars and vice versa but it would

1172
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:40,190
have been a great aid to the Templars

1173
00:54:48,580 --> 00:54:44,290
and sort of fleeing and or maybe

1174
00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:48,590
disposing or hiding some of the temple

1175
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:50,270
treasure or whatever it was that they

1176
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:53,390
were holding you know it would have been

1177
00:54:59,590 --> 00:54:56,090
kind of a convenient network to have in

1178
00:55:01,930 --> 00:54:59,600
place to be able to maybe you know move

1179
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:01,940
some of this some of these goods around

1180
00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:04,070
some of the goods as Tim was saying and

1181
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:08,390
move them around by a you know a network

1182
00:55:12,250 --> 00:55:09,970
of Freemasons or something like that

1183
00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:12,260
well you know they they trade the

1184
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,880
treasure the treasures of the Knights

1185
00:55:21,490 --> 00:55:16,720
Templar may be buried in your basement

1186
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:21,500
ha ha ha somewhere but you know there is

1187
00:55:27,790 --> 00:55:25,520
a series on the History Channel here at

1188
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:27,800
Tim I think it's been going for what now

1189
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:30,920
for six years at least yeah yeah the

1190
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:34,550
curse of Oak Island now supposedly Oak

1191
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:37,609
Island which is up there in the what

1192
00:55:46,770 --> 00:55:42,010
Nova Scotia is the resting place of the

1193
00:55:50,590 --> 00:55:46,780
way under way underground inside the

1194
00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:50,600
money pit now most people know the the

1195
00:55:55,630 --> 00:55:52,660
the story even if they don't watch a TV

1196
00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:55,640
series about how there is supposedly a

1197
00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:58,700
vast treasure buried on Oak Island but

1198
00:56:03,250 --> 00:56:00,650
my god there's very little of the island

1199
00:56:04,859 --> 00:56:03,260
Tim left to dig up it looks like right I

1200
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:04,869
mean they've gotten just about

1201
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:08,720
everywhere but whenever they get close

1202
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:09,680
to the treasure

1203
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:14,000
whatever the treasure is the the tunnel

1204
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:15,650
the underground tunnels fill up with

1205
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:18,020
water and prevents any of the

1206
00:56:24,490 --> 00:56:20,570
discoveries from being there made now

1207
00:56:29,019 --> 00:56:24,500
five or six people have died trying to

1208
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,029
find this avasta treasure which actually

1209
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:32,319
I guess how it first got started was in

1210
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:35,990
1796 there were a group of teenage boys

1211
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:38,720
I guess Daniel McGinnis is the one

1212
00:56:45,279 --> 00:56:41,750
that's a most often quoted who are out

1213
00:56:47,499 --> 00:56:45,289
one I guess the evening in a little

1214
00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:47,509
makeshift you know rowboat of some kind

1215
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:49,640
that they had themselves and they were

1216
00:56:56,349 --> 00:56:52,880
approaching Oak Island which course was

1217
00:57:00,279 --> 00:56:56,359
totally unsettled and they saw some

1218
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:00,289
mysterious lights below treetop level

1219
00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:03,170
and they wondered what they were and the

1220
00:57:08,670 --> 00:57:05,720
the next day or a couple days later they

1221
00:57:12,819 --> 00:57:08,680
went back to the island you know and

1222
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:12,829
found what appeared to be an area of the

1223
00:57:20,589 --> 00:57:18,410
ground that had been dug up and so they

1224
00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:20,599
started digging I and I guess they did

1225
00:57:25,569 --> 00:57:23,180
this word many many years right they

1226
00:57:29,289 --> 00:57:25,579
kept coming back because it seemed to be

1227
00:57:32,289 --> 00:57:29,299
an endless task at digging to find what

1228
00:57:33,999 --> 00:57:32,299
they assumed was some kind of a treasure

1229
00:57:36,279 --> 00:57:34,009
now I don't think in the beginning

1230
00:57:40,539 --> 00:57:36,289
anybody thought that it was the Holy

1231
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:40,549
Grail or or the art of the coven or

1232
00:57:46,329 --> 00:57:43,180
anything like that but somehow the

1233
00:57:51,009 --> 00:57:46,339
through a speculation and myth and

1234
00:57:52,809 --> 00:57:51,019
legend the the story it grew and there

1235
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:52,819
was an attempt several attempts

1236
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:54,529
obviously to find the treasure but like

1237
00:57:59,499 --> 00:57:58,130
I say every time that somebody dig so

1238
00:58:01,509 --> 00:57:59,509
deep and they bring acquit they bring

1239
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:01,519
bring avoided some very sophisticated

1240
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,730
equipment certainly in recent years to

1241
00:58:09,999 --> 00:58:08,000
get to the the treasure the the vaults

1242
00:58:13,029 --> 00:58:10,009
of the underground the vaults they just

1243
00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:13,039
fill up with water and they're sort

1244
00:58:18,220 --> 00:58:14,630
Thornton again they just can't they

1245
00:58:21,849 --> 00:58:18,230
can't seem to get to it now is proof

1246
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:21,859
that this is a an ancient burial site of

1247
00:58:28,269 --> 00:58:25,160
some kind they have picked up several

1248
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:28,279
old coins and I believe the thing of

1249
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:31,490
course that they they say is is one of

1250
00:58:37,319 --> 00:58:34,730
the proofs is that through a drilling

1251
00:58:41,259 --> 00:58:37,329
they have picked up the remnants of

1252
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:41,269
coconut right Tim and a coconut upon

1253
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:42,650
coconut fiber

1254
00:58:49,870 --> 00:58:47,810
in that part of the the world and they

1255
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:49,880
speculated it had to be brought in from

1256
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:54,290
the Caribbean you know along with

1257
00:58:59,860 --> 00:58:56,210
whether they were pirates or the Knights

1258
00:59:02,710 --> 00:58:59,870
Templar or some other group they they

1259
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:02,720
buried their treasure exceedingly well

1260
00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:05,690
which makes me kind of suspicious to be

1261
00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:08,270
honest with you if you're coming back at

1262
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:09,980
a later date to retrieve the treasure

1263
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,650
why would you go through all of this I

1264
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:14,960
mean who's going to know that you buried

1265
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:16,970
your treasure on Oak Island especially

1266
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:21,770
what 350 years ago I mean I I just can't

1267
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:23,390
see it but then on the other hand

1268
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:28,700
somebody did go to a you know the the

1269
00:59:35,650 --> 00:59:32,480
extreme to set up a series of vaults and

1270
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:35,660
traps now I speculate perhaps that

1271
00:59:41,950 --> 00:59:38,890
there's something remotely

1272
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:41,960
extraterrestrial or alien buried there

1273
00:59:48,370 --> 00:59:43,850
because what were these mysterious

1274
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:48,380
lights that Daniel McGinnis and his

1275
00:59:55,930 --> 00:59:53,750
friends saw back in 1796 it certainly

1276
00:59:57,730 --> 00:59:55,940
we're not the Knights Templar burying

1277
01:00:00,370 --> 00:59:57,740
their their goal they're coming back to

1278
01:00:02,020 --> 01:00:00,380
you know there were no ships parked in

1279
01:00:05,290 --> 01:00:02,030
the harbor well there is no Harbor but

1280
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:05,300
you know there's no sign of any a

1281
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:07,250
Knights Templar back at that point so

1282
01:00:11,830 --> 01:00:09,410
what were they actually witnessing when

1283
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:11,840
they saw these mysterious objects below

1284
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:15,530
treetop level spook light swamp gas I

1285
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:17,230
mean I guess we can we can circulate

1286
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:20,810
treasure lights right yes that's true

1287
01:00:25,810 --> 01:00:23,210
why didn't we did a book remember spooky

1288
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:25,820
treasure trove all right and and a lot

1289
01:00:31,690 --> 01:00:30,200
of times a ghosts do protect it they

1290
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:31,700
either will lead you to the treasure

1291
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:33,710
which are the ones that I want to meet

1292
01:00:38,410 --> 01:00:36,920
or they where they safeguard the the

1293
01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:38,420
treasure in which case you'd better

1294
01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:42,920
watch your backside no I'm it's a

1295
01:00:47,830 --> 01:00:44,540
fascinating story I mean there's no

1296
01:00:50,350 --> 01:00:47,840
doubt there's no doubt about it the the

1297
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:50,360
fellows who are there on the island they

1298
01:00:54,550 --> 01:00:52,310
all read the same article that was

1299
01:00:55,180 --> 01:00:54,560
published in Reader's Digest over 50

1300
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:55,190
years ago

1301
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:56,240
why

1302
01:01:00,970 --> 01:00:58,010
thick isn't that like the whole Templar

1303
01:01:05,290 --> 01:01:00,980
connection more of a kind of like just a

1304
01:01:08,350 --> 01:01:05,300
recent idea with this with and then you

1305
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:08,360
know people you know finding maps that I

1306
01:01:17,770 --> 01:01:13,370
enjoy in Templar type crosses on the the

1307
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:17,780
rocks there and I mean there is some

1308
01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:20,720
evidence that well first of all we know

1309
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:23,990
from doing these programs Tim that the

1310
01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:27,950
the world what was cut it was traveled

1311
01:01:33,820 --> 01:01:30,860
upon I mean we're led to believe that

1312
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:33,830
the the ancients you know we're pretty

1313
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,630
ignorant and they didn't know that there

1314
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:37,040
was a rest of the world there that they

1315
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:39,110
thought that the world was flat well

1316
01:01:45,550 --> 01:01:42,290
that's totally idiotic in fact my

1317
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:45,560
conclusion is is that they fostered the

1318
01:01:49,870 --> 01:01:47,810
idea that the the earth was flat and

1319
01:01:51,490 --> 01:01:49,880
that if you you know you went out on a

1320
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:51,500
ship or something you'd fall off the end

1321
01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:54,530
or some you know monster would grab you

1322
01:01:57,850 --> 01:01:55,670
because I didn't want anybody following

1323
01:02:01,330 --> 01:01:57,860
in their tracks they wanted they wanted

1324
01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:01,340
to you know they wanted a free waterway

1325
01:02:05,260 --> 01:02:03,380
to wherever they were going and they

1326
01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:05,270
didn't want anybody else you know

1327
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,740
getting in their way so they made up

1328
01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:08,480
what concocted all these stories and

1329
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:10,460
hope that people would believe them and

1330
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,010
I'm not sure that anybody believed them

1331
01:02:16,570 --> 01:02:14,480
to be honest with you I I haven't seen

1332
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:16,580
the the business because because

1333
01:02:20,940 --> 01:02:18,170
certainly there's enough evidence to

1334
01:02:23,290 --> 01:02:20,950
indicate that the world was being uh

1335
01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:23,300
traveled upon I mean though you know

1336
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:25,580
beyond just the the borders that were

1337
01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:29,450
known in the in those days you know man

1338
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:31,790
Columbus Columbus was the last to

1339
01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:37,670
discover all don't know yeah don't say

1340
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:39,590
that here in New York and Little Italy

1341
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:44,000
yeah I know he'll be hung you'll be

1342
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:46,970
hunting alien side down statue of Jesus

1343
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:54,290
yeah well I just I wanted to ask a ranae

1344
01:02:59,140 --> 01:02:56,810
real quick now I'm sorry now I think

1345
01:03:01,360 --> 01:02:59,150
that we had interrupted a story that you

1346
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:01,370
were trying to dead tell in the first

1347
01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:05,190
segment of the show about

1348
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:10,230
ooh what possibly was was buried there

1349
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:14,089
at the materials and the Chechen yeah

1350
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:17,220
totally yeah but I don't think we oh I

1351
01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:18,569
don't think we allowed you to finish

1352
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:21,990
well I think it what happened is I

1353
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:23,910
talked right on into the break it's

1354
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:28,530
probably what happened but anyhow yeah I

1355
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:31,170
was I was talking about a woman in it

1356
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:32,819
and this reminds me of some things that

1357
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:35,579
Brian said some correlations with Rozlyn

1358
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:40,170
and what he said about the the treasure

1359
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:42,809
at rimless Chateau being it might not be

1360
01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:45,210
a treasure of gold or you know the

1361
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:47,960
treasure of the Temple of Solomon but it

1362
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:50,640
was most likely documents or information

1363
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:54,510
and to that point back to my story of

1364
01:03:59,680 --> 01:03:56,940
the lady in Toulouse that I went to

1365
01:04:04,789 --> 01:03:59,690
visit with Antoine cap da and my

1366
01:04:07,089 --> 01:04:04,799
business partner Bruce Burgess she was

1367
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:07,099
talking about how she would go and visit

1368
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:10,980
Marie now Marie denarnaud was with

1369
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,680
Sawyer's companion it was his

1370
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,359
housekeeper but it was well known that

1371
01:04:20,589 --> 01:04:17,520
they were involved and she was his

1372
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:20,599
confidante and he left everything to her

1373
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:23,700
including the villa betánia his home

1374
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:27,930
there and one thing that was kind of

1375
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,150
interesting was that marine who taught

1376
01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:33,839
Sunday School was known to say oh my

1377
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:36,839
dear children if you only knew you're

1378
01:04:42,049 --> 01:04:39,420
walking on pure gold hmm

1379
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:42,059
now that she mean gold as in gold or did

1380
01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:45,660
she mean something else but back to my

1381
01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:50,220
little lady in Toulouse she was uh she

1382
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:52,529
called herself the adopted daughter of

1383
01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:55,529
Marie and she would go visit Marie and

1384
01:04:59,779 --> 01:04:57,240
of course Marie was never married

1385
01:05:04,910 --> 01:04:59,789
because she was Sonya's girl and he was

1386
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:04,920
a priest so she would go visit Marie

1387
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:07,319
after Sunday's because Marie lived until

1388
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:13,049
1953 and there's a wine that's in the

1389
01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:14,940
common to the region down there that's

1390
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:16,920
made down there called blonde cat it's a

1391
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:18,370
white wine and

1392
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,050
she said that Murray loved blonde ket

1393
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:22,480
and she would always take her a bottle

1394
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:24,970
of blonde ket she said because when she

1395
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:26,770
would drink she would talk and so she

1396
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:30,540
asked her questions and she said that

1397
01:05:37,380 --> 01:05:34,810
Murray told her and there's this story

1398
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:37,390
that it's been going on I heard about it

1399
01:05:44,420 --> 01:05:40,690
years ago of after Sonya's death Murray

1400
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:44,430
being seen out in the churchyard burning

1401
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:49,270
money and they were it was the pranks or

1402
01:05:54,270 --> 01:05:52,480
something and kind of just jumping about

1403
01:05:57,420 --> 01:05:54,280
buttoning the money was actually

1404
01:05:59,790 --> 01:05:57,430
bubbling but well I've got to say it is

1405
01:06:02,400 --> 01:05:59,800
that's what I was going to say that at

1406
01:06:03,030 --> 01:06:02,410
least what the lady told me was it was

1407
01:06:07,350 --> 01:06:03,040
not money

1408
01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:07,360
it was documents well the story I go

1409
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:09,940
that the cash the money she was bottling

1410
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:12,490
this had come from the Second World War

1411
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:14,290
yeah and it was ace the money that had

1412
01:06:21,420 --> 01:06:18,210
been paid to either her or someone and

1413
01:06:23,790 --> 01:06:21,430
by the Nazis and they were trying to get

1414
01:06:26,930 --> 01:06:23,800
rid of the money that way yeah now that

1415
01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:26,940
is a story now what the lady told me was

1416
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:31,270
she said they were papers in documents

1417
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:35,290
and I said oh my goodness you know of

1418
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:36,880
course she was just a child at the time

1419
01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:40,000
I said oh my goodness I said don't you

1420
01:06:43,710 --> 01:06:41,830
wish now that you hadn't because she

1421
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,720
said she helped her burn some of them I

1422
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:45,520
said don't you wish now that we had

1423
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:47,950
those and you didn't really she said oh

1424
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:57,240
hmm very very interesting but so that

1425
01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:00,880
was that was the thing that sprung out

1426
01:07:06,050 --> 01:07:03,070
at me Brian when you said that it might

1427
01:07:08,730 --> 01:07:06,060
have been information or documents in

1428
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,740
Ross when you're talking about Rosslyn

1429
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:10,960
you said that there was a slight

1430
01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:12,730
phenomenon coming through the window

1431
01:07:19,830 --> 01:07:15,580
there and it was red lights you know

1432
01:07:22,140 --> 01:07:19,840
coming at a prescribed time and there's

1433
01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:22,150
also a similar phenomenon in the church

1434
01:07:28,050 --> 01:07:25,300
at rennes-le-château every January 15th

1435
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:28,060
which is also very significant date in

1436
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:31,030
that mystery and also the date that

1437
01:07:35,339 --> 01:07:32,230
Sonya felt

1438
01:07:36,990 --> 01:07:35,349
and then died a couple days later who

1439
01:07:39,030 --> 01:07:37,000
are you talking to here is the blue

1440
01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:39,040
ruffles phenomenon I guess if Apple's

1441
01:07:44,670 --> 01:07:41,470
palm blue yeah exactly yeah yeah well

1442
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:44,680
this thing is that this has also been

1443
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:46,780
noticed and they're in England and

1444
01:07:51,930 --> 01:07:49,210
Lincoln Cathedral yes so once it's put

1445
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:51,940
once a year that they also get this blue

1446
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:53,650
light coming through in the form of you

1447
01:07:57,930 --> 01:07:55,599
it blue lights coming into the chapel

1448
01:08:00,210 --> 01:07:57,940
through the stained glass and you also

1449
01:08:02,550 --> 01:08:00,220
find a Fed William Henry you know the

1450
01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:02,560
guy that does his portal stuff I've

1451
01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:03,550
heard him talk

1452
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:04,900
yeah I've helped him to talk about these

1453
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:07,690
blue apples as well relating to portals

1454
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:10,210
so you could well be right on this I

1455
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,170
mean who knows but as much as one of

1456
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:16,480
these subjects is so my urban tales and

1457
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:19,120
counter pills and everybody's opinions

1458
01:08:22,349 --> 01:08:20,890
valid no arrestor day that the thing is

1459
01:08:23,940 --> 01:08:22,359
it's so mired that nobody knows the

1460
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:23,950
truth is never and I think that's a

1461
01:08:29,099 --> 01:08:26,920
great pity well it is I know we're

1462
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:29,109
getting close to another break because

1463
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:31,650
oh it was one real quick correlation

1464
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:34,410
also you talked about a portal and

1465
01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:37,870
Rosslyn and you know I've had many

1466
01:08:42,539 --> 01:08:40,120
people say especially psychics like you

1467
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:42,549
said that that renoir chateaus a portal

1468
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:46,239
and above the doorway to the church is

1469
01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:48,130
an inscription in Latin which translates

1470
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:50,350
in English to this place is terrible

1471
01:08:55,170 --> 01:08:52,330
this place is terrible yeah yeah which

1472
01:08:57,630 --> 01:08:55,180
is a portion of a vital first referring

1473
01:09:00,410 --> 01:08:57,640
to the Jacob's Ladder story where Jacob

1474
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:00,420
you know climbed up into heaven yeah

1475
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:03,130
because the rest of that verse says you

1476
01:09:07,950 --> 01:09:04,930
know this place is terrible and it is

1477
01:09:09,570 --> 01:09:07,960
the gateway to heaven and then on the

1478
01:09:11,490 --> 01:09:09,580
break you told what it what is like my

1479
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,500
mind what does that mean exactly

1480
01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:13,359
well I'm thinking it might be a

1481
01:09:22,019 --> 01:09:16,870
reference to a portal a gateway to

1482
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:22,029
heaven is Stargate hmm I don't know what

1483
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:23,500
why this place is terrible

1484
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:26,650
well I think terrible in the terms of

1485
01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:30,310
Awesome you know just like you've heard

1486
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:32,200
this I don't know if that well I don't

1487
01:09:36,269 --> 01:09:33,730
know if that was slag back in those days

1488
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,279
that well you know they say God is a

1489
01:09:42,749 --> 01:09:39,759
terrible God you know what it means is

1490
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,759
awesome that's what I was told and the

1491
01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:44,560
the the mayor at the time

1492
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:46,060
Jean Frenzel we

1493
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:48,940
they're in Reynosa told us that the real

1494
01:09:54,990 --> 01:09:52,089
secret to run Lesotho was not a treasure

1495
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,000
of gold but the tell uric energy there

1496
01:09:59,280 --> 01:09:57,520
that it's a very special place and now

1497
01:10:01,500 --> 01:09:59,290
Henry Lincoln you know one of the

1498
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:01,510
authors of Holy Blood Holy Grail he's

1499
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:04,810
done all his subsequent work on the

1500
01:10:10,770 --> 01:10:07,210
landscape and the geometry of the area

1501
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:10,780
and it is a very very special place I

1502
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:12,490
wouldn't be surprised if there weren't

1503
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:16,780
some similar work being done on the

1504
01:10:21,420 --> 01:10:19,450
landscape around Rockland I kind of just

1505
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:21,430
see it when a that the thing is that

1506
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:24,400
handy Lincoln I know this having support

1507
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:26,260
from several claims and listen to many

1508
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:27,610
of his lectures it was very very

1509
01:10:33,210 --> 01:10:30,070
specific they were this that he does not

1510
01:10:34,410 --> 01:10:33,220
claim that what he think is true he says

1511
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:34,420
I think it's avoid a lot of trouble

1512
01:10:39,570 --> 01:10:36,610
because what he said is that these are

1513
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:39,580
hypotheses please developed all right

1514
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:41,290
let's well let me interrupt you because

1515
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:42,850
we have to go to our break we'll be

1516
01:10:47,589 --> 01:10:45,490
right back or hypothesis on the other

1517
01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:47,599
side

1518
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,260
now back to explore in the bazaar with

1519
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:53,840
two of the most under firing researchers

1520
01:11:02,649 --> 01:10:56,840
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1521
01:11:04,379 --> 01:11:02,659
Rebecca Lee and team Swartz well you

1522
01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:04,389
know Tim I just looked in the mirror

1523
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:08,030
mm-hmm and you know what I never buy

1524
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:08,510
that

1525
01:11:16,209 --> 01:11:13,360
well my mock my mind is expanding

1526
01:11:19,229 --> 01:11:16,219
identify can tell that is your head

1527
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:19,239
getting bigger I it absolutely is

1528
01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:22,400
absolutely my nightmare and and this is

1529
01:11:27,550 --> 01:11:24,590
this has been a fabulous program and

1530
01:11:30,970 --> 01:11:27,560
we've just covered so many mysteries

1531
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:30,980
here and we we've got a few more to go I

1532
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:33,290
did what I asked well two things with

1533
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:37,280
with Alan there has been quite a bit of

1534
01:11:41,859 --> 01:11:39,260
what we would call a paranormal

1535
01:11:45,609 --> 01:11:41,869
phenomena that's taken a place around

1536
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:45,619
Roswell Chapel oh yeah I mean whatever's

1537
01:11:51,459 --> 01:11:48,170
in there that defied Satan's of Wolf

1538
01:11:54,629 --> 01:11:51,469
Lake creatures the strange lights been

1539
01:11:57,129 --> 01:11:54,639
seen in the chapel groans the for them

1540
01:11:58,959 --> 01:11:57,139
cattle mutilations there were all sorts

1541
01:12:00,879 --> 01:11:58,969
of stuff going on during the chaplain it

1542
01:12:02,859 --> 01:12:00,889
seems to be almost you know it runs

1543
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,869
parallel with places like skinwalker

1544
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:04,400
ranch where a whole lot of bunches the

1545
01:12:09,220 --> 01:12:07,190
bunch has been seen but this seems to be

1546
01:12:11,890 --> 01:12:09,230
par for the course well as anywhere

1547
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:11,900
whoever there's a supposed portal we've

1548
01:12:15,850 --> 01:12:14,030
been located that these things just

1549
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:15,860
occur but maybe it's just a weakening of

1550
01:12:20,260 --> 01:12:18,650
the bones edges of reality between a

1551
01:12:21,370 --> 01:12:20,270
reality and another reality because

1552
01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:21,380
because I'm sure I'm absolutely

1553
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:22,790
convinced there's more than one reality

1554
01:12:27,729 --> 01:12:25,610
out there and we only have one one of

1555
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:27,739
them and they're yeah I didn't know yeah

1556
01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:29,510
but I would say that Roslyn is a good

1557
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,060
candidate for that yeah what do we in

1558
01:12:36,490 --> 01:12:33,920
that case do we really want to open a

1559
01:12:38,189 --> 01:12:36,500
portal that's the thing that I wondered

1560
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:38,199
you know would this be a good idea

1561
01:12:45,069 --> 01:12:40,730
because F is something that's been

1562
01:12:47,140 --> 01:12:45,079
sealed away for so many centuries is it

1563
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:47,150
well there's two choices here either

1564
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,090
there is going to change things as we

1565
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,360
know them no so in a bad way or maybe

1566
01:12:57,850 --> 01:12:55,280
it's no longer as important as it was

1567
01:12:59,290 --> 01:12:57,860
because people have moved on that ideas

1568
01:13:01,390 --> 01:12:59,300
have changed they've always have changed

1569
01:13:01,780 --> 01:13:01,400
the cult has changed so maybe it

1570
01:13:03,460 --> 01:13:01,790
wouldn't

1571
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:03,470
factious no but the problem is do we

1572
01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:05,330
want to take that risk because who would

1573
01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:09,950
manage it well we'll give that to our

1574
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:15,710
producer Tina to do but no Bryan yet now

1575
01:13:20,710 --> 01:13:18,410
I know you know we put out an edition of

1576
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:20,720
the of your book Rosslyn Chapel or cult

1577
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:23,750
secrets and esoteric treasures revealed

1578
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:25,850
what would which we're gonna I think

1579
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:27,740
reissue with your permission we're going

1580
01:13:32,380 --> 01:13:30,560
to work something out about it because

1581
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:32,390
technically it has been out of print

1582
01:13:36,370 --> 01:13:34,010
because it really wasn't one of our

1583
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:36,380
titles well it's a long story in the

1584
01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:39,470
listeners don't want to hear about that

1585
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:43,550
anyway but they can be on Tinder's until

1586
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:47,930
the the book is a reissued but you know

1587
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:51,110
we were giving them for free when people

1588
01:13:58,540 --> 01:13:55,610
bought this particular Edition a CD well

1589
01:14:01,150 --> 01:13:58,550
yeah yeah but yeah yet some of the the I

1590
01:14:04,330 --> 01:14:01,160
guess what would you call them sacred

1591
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:04,340
sounds that that can be used to open to

1592
01:14:09,550 --> 01:14:06,290
explain that to us because I'm not

1593
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:09,560
really sure how to define it well okay

1594
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:14,270
well as you probably have me say that we

1595
01:14:18,940 --> 01:14:16,250
decided that was one particular

1596
01:14:21,070 --> 01:14:18,950
frequency that that would work but what

1597
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:21,080
we also did was we created a range of

1598
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:23,650
other frequencies based on back but

1599
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:26,360
based on what is called Ganesha now I

1600
01:14:31,060 --> 01:14:27,920
don't if if if you have to know what

1601
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:31,070
with the ancient science of Demetria but

1602
01:14:38,050 --> 01:14:33,710
but it actually ties and and say it once

1603
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:38,060
to numerical values and what we did was

1604
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:40,370
we created different cards based in the

1605
01:14:45,490 --> 01:14:43,730
name of Jesus we created the frequencies

1606
01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:45,500
based on what I call the Solfeggio

1607
01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:48,680
frequencies and we created chords for

1608
01:14:57,940 --> 01:14:53,270
example the the frequency 373 helps

1609
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:57,950
means literally the word in Greek 515

1610
01:15:04,510 --> 01:15:01,280
helps means literally Jesus an absolute

1611
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:04,520
gamete ear and that the frequency 888

1612
01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:07,850
helps in Greek means is which also

1613
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:10,820
translates as Jesus so we also created

1614
01:15:15,220 --> 01:15:12,650
cards based on those as well

1615
01:15:17,290 --> 01:15:15,230
but we never then get a chance

1616
01:15:19,630 --> 01:15:17,300
seriously we never did get a chance to

1617
01:15:20,979 --> 01:15:19,640
use it in the chapel because we got Reno

1618
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:20,989
people were coming in and weren't

1619
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:24,410
allowed to but what we did do was that

1620
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:26,570
what I did do was I gave a copy of the

1621
01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:28,550
CD to a friend of mine who's a physical

1622
01:15:34,540 --> 01:15:31,070
medium guy for Patrick McNamara lives in

1623
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:34,550
London and he used this during some of

1624
01:15:39,370 --> 01:15:36,890
these things he said some of the results

1625
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:39,380
are quite remarkable and I also sent

1626
01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:42,590
this tell Lady Anne in Mexico in

1627
01:15:48,220 --> 01:15:45,350
Guadalajara and she was having problems

1628
01:15:52,330 --> 01:15:48,230
at home and we did with a very strange

1629
01:15:55,090 --> 01:15:52,340
setup that we did an exorcism via if you

1630
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:55,100
make a remote the exorcism using this

1631
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:57,890
these frequencies one in London one in

1632
01:16:02,350 --> 01:16:00,080
her home being played simultaneously and

1633
01:16:04,030 --> 01:16:02,360
the meat and the medium in London

1634
01:16:05,950 --> 01:16:04,040
actually cleansed the House floor and it

1635
01:16:07,210 --> 01:16:05,960
seemed to work but wouldn't it would

1636
01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:07,220
think it might be some sort of

1637
01:16:11,260 --> 01:16:09,350
sympathetic by basis set up between the

1638
01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:11,270
two frequencies but we can't really be

1639
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:20,380
yeah like I say I'll remote a remote

1640
01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:23,840
clearing a remote exorcism yeah what

1641
01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:25,340
what would what do the what did the

1642
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:32,630
sounds actually sound like well well I'm

1643
01:16:37,870 --> 01:16:35,930
a bar to for us I don't really think

1644
01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:37,880
this quarter is quite if I have in the

1645
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:39,860
moment here Norway Sinbad Jane about to

1646
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:45,290
start I think the closest that I've ever

1647
01:16:51,250 --> 01:16:47,960
heard to it would be a live concert that

1648
01:16:51,980 --> 01:16:51,260
I walked out on of Emerson Lake and

1649
01:16:54,270 --> 01:16:51,990
Palmer

1650
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:54,280
[Laughter]

1651
01:17:02,860 --> 01:16:57,890
walked out okay how how could you walk

1652
01:17:06,130 --> 01:17:02,870
out on Emerson like oh oh my gosh I'm a

1653
01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:06,140
danger to bring your ear bring a triple

1654
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:12,590
set of earplugs oh wow what are the two

1655
01:17:19,210 --> 01:17:14,450
bears actually of the hundreds that I

1656
01:17:22,450 --> 01:17:19,220
saw that I was unentertaining is that

1657
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:22,460
kind of pounding if you want to call it

1658
01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:26,210
instrumental uh you know I'd it's just

1659
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:27,140
not my thing

1660
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:29,489
and they and loud I mean talk

1661
01:17:36,290 --> 01:17:32,369
about the frequency enough to shatter

1662
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:36,300
your jawbone gosh maybe you're just not

1663
01:17:42,649 --> 01:17:38,489
a progressive rock and roll guy okay

1664
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:42,659
yeah I hear more of the acid rock mmm no

1665
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:45,329
no I did where'sa classical rock I mean

1666
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,550
nothing I like more in the old days than

1667
01:17:53,089 --> 01:17:49,679
stairway to heaven there you go guys

1668
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:53,099
ties right in guys right in here Porter

1669
01:17:59,330 --> 01:17:56,130
would be happy right - saw portals to

1670
01:18:04,729 --> 01:17:59,340
have' did well well going going back for

1671
01:18:06,919 --> 01:18:04,739
a minute on Bryan's what he was just

1672
01:18:08,540 --> 01:18:06,929
talking about I mean has I wonder if

1673
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:08,550
anybody has ever tried playing that

1674
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:13,320
they're at riddle chateau there's a

1675
01:18:18,979 --> 01:18:15,650
point yeah yeah that's a good idea yeah

1676
01:18:22,759 --> 01:18:18,989
yeah I know that they're people that

1677
01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:22,769
have done some toning work the name

1678
01:18:27,109 --> 01:18:25,230
escapes me Oh Tom Kenyon are you

1679
01:18:30,589 --> 01:18:27,119
familiar with him

1680
01:18:34,279 --> 01:18:30,599
he's a does a lot of I think channeling

1681
01:18:39,109 --> 01:18:34,289
work he has a series on the Arcturians

1682
01:18:41,330 --> 01:18:39,119
and he does some kind of musical toning

1683
01:18:43,970 --> 01:18:41,340
with instruments and I know he's done

1684
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:43,980
some work there I haven't been there

1685
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,840
when it's happened so I don't know much

1686
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:48,480
about what kind of results they have but

1687
01:18:53,330 --> 01:18:51,449
I know there's been a lot I've heard a

1688
01:18:56,209 --> 01:18:53,340
lot of people say they wanted to go and

1689
01:18:58,729 --> 01:18:56,219
play certain tones and sounds and

1690
01:19:00,290 --> 01:18:58,739
certain types of music there well kind

1691
01:19:01,729 --> 01:19:00,300
of just jump in here and tell you little

1692
01:19:03,709 --> 01:19:01,739
bit more about what happens and Rosslyn

1693
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:03,719
Chapel that was the last time we went

1694
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:06,210
there in 2005 but that's indicated at

1695
01:19:10,669 --> 01:19:08,610
the sonic experiments the way we were

1696
01:19:12,379 --> 01:19:10,679
doing this but well we were upstairs in

1697
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:12,389
the body of the chapel one of the guys

1698
01:19:16,729 --> 01:19:15,090
was downstairs in the crypt it is an

1699
01:19:19,549 --> 01:19:16,739
acoustic therapist this guy and he

1700
01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:19,559
started toning so you haven't toning

1701
01:19:23,810 --> 01:19:21,630
down the stairs it was playing the stuff

1702
01:19:25,339 --> 01:19:23,820
through a laptop and all of a sudden

1703
01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:25,349
there was two frequencies that then

1704
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:27,900
suddenly and over a third frequency

1705
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:30,449
appears and everybody looked each other

1706
01:19:34,580 --> 01:19:32,130
said where's that coming from the chapel

1707
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,590
was creating it on its own then a few

1708
01:19:38,629 --> 01:19:36,480
seconds after that another frequency

1709
01:19:40,339 --> 01:19:38,639
appeared and the chapel was that there

1710
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,349
were like harmonics be created by the

1711
01:19:43,459 --> 01:19:42,360
chapel itself and we just didn't we

1712
01:19:45,650 --> 01:19:43,469
couldn't figure this out

1713
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:45,660
this is why we think the chapel was

1714
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:47,489
designed to do something like this then

1715
01:19:51,410 --> 01:19:50,010
downstairs the guy he needs nothing

1716
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:51,420
about what was going on up the stairs

1717
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:53,370
but when he stopped turning the other

1718
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,890
two stones stopped as well and more or

1719
01:19:59,959 --> 01:19:57,360
less what was the original frequency

1720
01:20:02,000 --> 01:19:59,969
coming from the laptop so looked as

1721
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:02,010
though we were actually we'd found

1722
01:20:05,780 --> 01:20:03,719
another six of the chapel that will

1723
01:20:07,580 --> 01:20:05,790
create harmonic tones depending of

1724
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:07,590
what's getting get getting fed into it

1725
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:10,170
it's I don't know I can't know that

1726
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:11,910
there's a heterodyne nobody says

1727
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:13,920
actually thought acting like a half of

1728
01:20:18,979 --> 01:20:15,690
the innovation of radio there's

1729
01:20:21,170 --> 01:20:18,989
producing two separate frequencies from

1730
01:20:22,850 --> 01:20:21,180
something else so it was quite square

1731
01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:22,860
fashioning something that the chapel

1732
01:20:26,530 --> 01:20:24,510
itself as I say is an endlessly

1733
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:26,540
fascinating building so I mean

1734
01:20:31,250 --> 01:20:28,890
anything's possible Desmond

1735
01:20:34,010 --> 01:20:31,260
well it's and it's not a huge building

1736
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:34,020
either every I don't yeah I know the

1737
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:35,370
people who go there you know they're

1738
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:36,570
kind of disappointed because they're

1739
01:20:41,229 --> 01:20:38,760
expecting like it to Cathedral almost so

1740
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:41,239
it's it's very small

1741
01:20:47,330 --> 01:20:45,449
yeah it is a beautiful place but the

1742
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:47,340
legends about that place many of them

1743
01:20:51,860 --> 01:20:49,110
are just legends there's no two ways

1744
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:51,870
about it and the chapel at one time had

1745
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,730
to stop people applying to get special

1746
01:20:57,979 --> 01:20:55,199
access to it because there was all sorts

1747
01:20:59,660 --> 01:20:57,989
change groups on again then but

1748
01:21:01,490 --> 01:20:59,670
nevermind crazy guys what we know what

1749
01:21:05,180 --> 01:21:01,500
the cliffs tone frequencies you using

1750
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:05,190
laptops in the booking you again witches

1751
01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:07,290
they were getting Wizards warlocks all

1752
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:09,060
sorts of strange stuff going on there

1753
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:12,090
and as far as I know if I to set up

1754
01:21:16,670 --> 01:21:14,340
camera systems in there because for a

1755
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,680
while there at night there was people

1756
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:18,239
good and you know in the dead of night

1757
01:21:22,010 --> 01:21:20,489
in a carrying out rituals actually not

1758
01:21:24,170 --> 01:21:22,020
in the sit not in the chapel but in the

1759
01:21:25,939 --> 01:21:24,180
grounds owned about it and that the stop

1760
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:25,949
there as well because I mean they didn't

1761
01:21:30,740 --> 01:21:27,810
want the encourage any really really

1762
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:30,750
weird stuff going on willing to see the

1763
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:32,850
area itself and down and Escobar League

1764
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,280
which is at the back of the chapel and

1765
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:36,719
there's a lot of stuff goes on down

1766
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:38,250
there as well I mean the whole area is

1767
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:40,860
so steeped in the occult and and and

1768
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:43,770
strange prices and this goes bike prior

1769
01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:45,390
to the building and the chapel because

1770
01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:47,820
they think that the place was used at

1771
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:50,280
one say there at one time as a base for

1772
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:52,170
what they call Celtic Christianity and

1773
01:21:57,459 --> 01:21:56,250
men and the place itself has been noted

1774
01:22:02,500 --> 01:21:57,469
as a place of healing

1775
01:22:04,449 --> 01:22:02,510
for millennia okay Brian our service is

1776
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:04,459
still held there on a regular basis or

1777
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,050
is it pretty much just a tourist

1778
01:22:10,449 --> 01:22:08,719
attraction oh no no no no as the

1779
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:10,459
collegiate justice and Mathias an

1780
01:22:17,589 --> 01:22:13,010
Episcopalian Church and services are

1781
01:22:20,140 --> 01:22:17,599
held there every Sunday waiting and then

1782
01:22:22,449 --> 01:22:20,150
the tourists are allowed it oh yeah yeah

1783
01:22:24,429 --> 01:22:22,459
I mean obviously not during services but

1784
01:22:27,069 --> 01:22:24,439
it's something pretty much seven days a

1785
01:22:28,689 --> 01:22:27,079
week but then people get married there I

1786
01:22:32,409 --> 01:22:28,699
mean but we were there when it was a

1787
01:22:35,259 --> 01:22:32,419
wedding taking place so yeah it's open

1788
01:22:37,330 --> 01:22:35,269
as a regular functioning Episcopalian

1789
01:22:39,939 --> 01:22:37,340
Church yeah yeah every Sunday that the

1790
01:22:42,250 --> 01:22:39,949
service is there yeah well now what what

1791
01:22:44,169 --> 01:22:42,260
do the people that actually are in

1792
01:22:46,209 --> 01:22:44,179
charge of the church what do they think

1793
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:46,219
about all of this I mean is anybody ever

1794
01:22:52,540 --> 01:22:48,289
quiz then do they think it's just a

1795
01:22:54,659 --> 01:22:52,550
bunch of nonsense or yes yes absolutely

1796
01:22:58,209 --> 01:22:54,669
they do I can assure you that the

1797
01:22:59,890 --> 01:22:58,219
trustees of the chapel anytime anybody

1798
01:23:02,469 --> 01:22:59,900
wants to do anything that might either

1799
01:23:05,140 --> 01:23:02,479
prove or disprove something to just say

1800
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:05,150
no they just want to let the wanna leave

1801
01:23:10,419 --> 01:23:08,090
them I can understand that on there as

1802
01:23:11,129 --> 01:23:10,429
long as long as people stop at the gift

1803
01:23:13,959 --> 01:23:11,139
shop

1804
01:23:15,729 --> 01:23:13,969
absolutely on the way oh you get you

1805
01:23:18,549 --> 01:23:15,739
have every place has got to have a gift

1806
01:23:19,629 --> 01:23:18,559
shop kids are in fact your book should

1807
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,639
be sold at the gift shop

1808
01:23:23,949 --> 01:23:21,199
hey you know I'm looking here at a

1809
01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:23,959
picture of the apprentice pillar

1810
01:23:32,969 --> 01:23:28,209
now that that is a marvelous piece of

1811
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:32,979
architecture what is this what is the

1812
01:23:39,790 --> 01:23:37,760
the the story behind that well they're

1813
01:23:43,140 --> 01:23:39,800
Francisco and if you look at it this

1814
01:23:45,759 --> 01:23:43,150
comes into part of the way that i

1815
01:23:47,949 --> 01:23:45,769
iconography that the mythology with the

1816
01:23:49,890 --> 01:23:47,959
police I mean the I shall twist of it it

1817
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:49,900
starts to look a bit like a stranded DNA

1818
01:23:55,029 --> 01:23:53,329
they also go yeah yeah yeah that's being

1819
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:55,039
drawn into but the thing was it

1820
01:23:59,890 --> 01:23:58,010
supposedly this this is where that the

1821
01:24:02,350 --> 01:23:59,900
Masonic connection comes then about the

1822
01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:02,360
Master Mason and the apprentice that

1823
01:24:07,870 --> 01:24:05,510
apparently they wanted this to be a just

1824
01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:07,880
to be carved and the Master Mason

1825
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:09,889
decided that he was going to go to youth

1826
01:24:12,729 --> 01:24:10,880
abroad

1827
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:12,739
to think that who to carve this thing

1828
01:24:16,930 --> 01:24:15,679
but his apprentice carved that and there

1829
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:16,940
he actually built this thing and when

1830
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,370
the Master Mason came by he was well not

1831
01:24:22,959 --> 01:24:21,199
pleased with this and he killed him he

1832
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:22,969
struck them with a heavy set and model

1833
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,370
which is an exact if you know if it this

1834
01:24:29,169 --> 01:24:27,199
is what happened you know who hired him

1835
01:24:31,209 --> 01:24:29,179
a buff was killed you know and this is

1836
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,219
all part of a masonic masonic never

1837
01:24:40,030 --> 01:24:33,679
never never do anything without getting

1838
01:24:42,129 --> 01:24:40,040
paid in advance that's it yeah the

1839
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:42,139
apprentice but also that the mummified

1840
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:44,210
head of Jesus Christ is claimed to be

1841
01:24:47,620 --> 01:24:45,710
headman the pillar as well it's one of

1842
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,630
these many many legends associated with

1843
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:50,000
a place you know they mummified head of

1844
01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:52,489
Jesus's in the pillar well it's been

1845
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:55,070
claimed because the bone x-ray scans are

1846
01:24:59,860 --> 01:24:56,239
the power and the phone there is a

1847
01:25:02,260 --> 01:24:59,870
cavity and sayd it but whether or not

1848
01:25:03,610 --> 01:25:02,270
that contains that well this is what

1849
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:03,620
you're starting to get don't the buffer

1850
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:06,800
met now and the other Templar connection

1851
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:08,570
with a buffer met no the rest of it and

1852
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:10,730
the think that the buff the head of the

1853
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:12,650
buffer met maybe hadn't been said I mean

1854
01:25:15,790 --> 01:25:14,210
there's a thousand of one different

1855
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:15,800
tales about the chapel but as long as

1856
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:18,880
the they've got the people of government

1857
01:25:23,050 --> 01:25:21,290
in charge you'll never be able to find

1858
01:25:27,729 --> 01:25:23,060
out because as soon as Andy wants to

1859
01:25:30,060 --> 01:25:27,739
they just say no yeah well when you but

1860
01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:30,070
when you buy them out it'll be okay then

1861
01:25:36,370 --> 01:25:35,000
haha that's what you know that's what

1862
01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:36,380
you know the treasure is buried there

1863
01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:39,110
when they up the price that's right

1864
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:42,230
maybe we could all chip in and buy it

1865
01:25:47,860 --> 01:25:45,050
and then just have have our way with it

1866
01:25:52,270 --> 01:25:47,870
away I wonder if Skype works in there

1867
01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:52,280
hey maybe they have Wi-Fi we we could I

1868
01:25:57,399 --> 01:25:53,710
bet they do

1869
01:25:59,919 --> 01:25:57,409
you know Brian you said something about

1870
01:26:03,310 --> 01:25:59,929
you know that being an ancient you know

1871
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:03,320
Celtic site yeah and no that is you

1872
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:06,650
probably know a lot of these Christian

1873
01:26:12,490 --> 01:26:08,810
churches particularly Catholic churches

1874
01:26:15,970 --> 01:26:12,500
are built on pagan sites oh yeah oh yeah

1875
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:15,980
oh yeah some have like a water source

1876
01:26:23,140 --> 01:26:20,449
underneath and that you know it's said

1877
01:26:24,650 --> 01:26:23,150
that you know when they put the churches

1878
01:26:27,230 --> 01:26:24,660
on those locations they said

1879
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:27,240
we're stamping out you know paganism

1880
01:26:32,930 --> 01:26:30,540
we're putting our Christian Church on

1881
01:26:36,380 --> 01:26:32,940
top but maybe what they were really

1882
01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:36,390
doing was taking advantage of an already

1883
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:39,630
identified sacred or sort of

1884
01:26:46,730 --> 01:26:42,330
supernatural fire I got drawing on the

1885
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:46,740
power absolutely absolutely I was really

1886
01:26:51,050 --> 01:26:48,090
connected because because all they were

1887
01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:51,060
doing was consolidated on position but I

1888
01:26:57,530 --> 01:26:54,060
feel like absorbing the opposition is a

1889
01:27:00,020 --> 01:26:57,540
standard tactic yep yeah but maybe they

1890
01:27:01,820 --> 01:27:00,030
were also you know taking yeah certainly

1891
01:27:03,740 --> 01:27:01,830
taking their power whatever that

1892
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:03,750
opposition scar was from that particular

1893
01:27:09,530 --> 01:27:06,930
location they took it for themselves

1894
01:27:11,150 --> 01:27:09,540
of course it ya know naturally I mean

1895
01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:11,160
that they would do because it that way

1896
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:14,070
the build up their own position and and

1897
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:16,260
this as anybody also happens to believe

1898
01:27:19,820 --> 01:27:18,360
alternative beliefs and and it's been

1899
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:19,830
absorbed and within the body of the

1900
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:20,580
church itself

1901
01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:22,170
they'll come along with it so you know

1902
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:23,910
they just go what the opposition is

1903
01:27:32,150 --> 01:27:27,990
great yep yep we had a in our film

1904
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:32,160
bloodline we were in contact with a real

1905
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:35,130
Vatican insider and who was never

1906
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:42,530
identified publicly but he gave a short

1907
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:45,450
interview with us and we put some of it

1908
01:27:49,810 --> 01:27:47,940
at the end of the film disguised his

1909
01:27:54,860 --> 01:27:49,820
voice and didn't didn't show his face

1910
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:54,870
but he said you know we were asking

1911
01:27:59,420 --> 01:27:57,330
about the Vatican and about the Priory

1912
01:28:03,650 --> 01:27:59,430
of Zion and he said the real Priory of

1913
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:03,660
Zion if you will is the Vatican the

1914
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:06,480
truth always hides behind its opposite

1915
01:28:11,930 --> 01:28:09,570
and you know I must say you know we were

1916
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:11,940
secretly recording him and he did give

1917
01:28:18,230 --> 01:28:16,010
us a lot of problems afterwards because

1918
01:28:22,190 --> 01:28:18,240
he didn't give us permission to use it

1919
01:28:23,630 --> 01:28:22,200
but we did it anyway and we've patched

1920
01:28:26,270 --> 01:28:23,640
it up with him though and we're still in

1921
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:26,280
context so it's okay now but it wasn't

1922
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:29,310
very happy he wasn't very happy he

1923
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:31,650
called me and said Renee tell Bruce it's

1924
01:28:37,939 --> 01:28:33,690
not very nice to record people without

1925
01:28:37,939 --> 01:28:37,949
their knowledge that's like old Ikes

1926
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:41,459
nuts nothing is off the record yeah

1927
01:28:45,629 --> 01:28:42,730
exactly

1928
01:28:47,819 --> 01:28:45,639
he knew what we were up to mmm

1929
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:47,829
I was going to ask you you know is he is

1930
01:28:52,819 --> 01:28:49,449
he still around there you know if he's

1931
01:28:57,930 --> 01:28:52,829
passed away Lizzie yeah he is

1932
01:29:01,649 --> 01:28:57,940
interestingly although you know after

1933
01:29:06,049 --> 01:29:01,659
bloodline Bruce and I parted ways for a

1934
01:29:08,399 --> 01:29:06,059
number of years we've recently you know

1935
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:08,409
reconnected because we've had a lot of

1936
01:29:11,549 --> 01:29:09,730
people because next year will be the

1937
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,559
10-year anniversary of bloodline and

1938
01:29:15,029 --> 01:29:13,840
we've had a lot of people saying are you

1939
01:29:18,089 --> 01:29:15,039
going to do a follow on or you're going

1940
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:18,099
to do a follow on and we both love to so

1941
01:29:24,839 --> 01:29:22,719
we're working toward that now but I know

1942
01:29:29,279 --> 01:29:24,849
that I've been in touch with that

1943
01:29:32,970 --> 01:29:29,289
insider still and we're still connected

1944
01:29:34,830 --> 01:29:32,980
and I know that Bruce I've since found

1945
01:29:37,529 --> 01:29:34,840
out that Bruce is still been connected

1946
01:29:39,810 --> 01:29:37,539
and probably more closely connected over

1947
01:29:44,580 --> 01:29:39,820
the last year soon then I've been with

1948
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:44,590
him but we definitely I definitely have

1949
01:29:51,299 --> 01:29:48,550
plans to approach him for the next film

1950
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:51,309
and to see whether or not he would I

1951
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:54,190
know he wouldn't go on camera but

1952
01:29:59,459 --> 01:29:56,409
whether he would give us this time with

1953
01:30:01,799 --> 01:29:59,469
his permission and answer some questions

1954
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:01,809
for us well I mean I bet you've

1955
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:04,719
discovered just so much more fascinating

1956
01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:06,489
material since the original bloodline

1957
01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:08,230
came out it's always the case once you

1958
01:30:11,459 --> 01:30:10,329
get editing done then somebody comes to

1959
01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:11,469
you and says hey I've got some really

1960
01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:13,510
great stuff for you too well how good

1961
01:30:20,580 --> 01:30:16,510
our challenge at the time was even then

1962
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:20,590
was not what to put in the film but what

1963
01:30:24,899 --> 01:30:23,530
we had to cut out because we had this

1964
01:30:27,330 --> 01:30:24,909
film that was going to be like five

1965
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:27,340
hours long and it's a documentary you

1966
01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:29,650
know and it's still long for documentary

1967
01:30:35,250 --> 01:30:33,340
it's an hour and 47 minutes but the way

1968
01:30:37,589 --> 01:30:35,260
that we shot it in the way that we

1969
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:37,599
presented it was more like a movie and

1970
01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:40,690
it wasn't you know nicely lit sit-down

1971
01:30:45,089 --> 01:30:43,480
interviews it was all on the go and you

1972
01:30:47,459 --> 01:30:45,099
know sort of chronicling our

1973
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:47,469
investigation and sort of following

1974
01:30:52,580 --> 01:30:48,690
Bruce

1975
01:30:55,130 --> 01:30:52,590
you know on the journey to track down

1976
01:30:56,990 --> 01:30:55,140
this information on whether or not we

1977
01:31:02,120 --> 01:30:57,000
could find out anything to substantiate

1978
01:31:03,709 --> 01:31:02,130
or to disprove the idea that Jesus was

1979
01:31:05,420 --> 01:31:03,719
married and that there was a bloodline

1980
01:31:08,540 --> 01:31:05,430
and that there was a secret society

1981
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:08,550
called the Priory of Sion which protects

1982
01:31:14,330 --> 01:31:12,170
information about that bloodline so

1983
01:31:15,740 --> 01:31:14,340
that's what we're doing it yes we're

1984
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:15,750
still in touch with our Priory of Sion

1985
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:18,170
guy as well and he's already on board

1986
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:22,320
for the next filming's people either

1987
01:31:27,410 --> 01:31:24,210
loved him or hated him from the first

1988
01:31:30,530 --> 01:31:27,420
film very interesting character Nikolaj

1989
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:30,540
well I hate to interrupt but we are down

1990
01:31:36,020 --> 01:31:33,690
to our last few minutes of the show and

1991
01:31:39,260 --> 01:31:36,030
we do want to take this opportunity to

1992
01:31:42,010 --> 01:31:39,270
ask both of our guests where they can be

1993
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:42,020
reached what they are working on and

1994
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:44,940
have some final thoughts perhaps Rene

1995
01:31:48,350 --> 01:31:46,890
you want to give it a shot how can

1996
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:48,360
people get in touch with you and what do

1997
01:31:53,540 --> 01:31:51,480
you have to offer sure people who can

1998
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:53,550
get in touch with me I actually do a

1999
01:31:58,670 --> 01:31:55,650
radio show of my own which I'm playing

2000
01:32:02,750 --> 01:31:58,680
hooky from tonight Oh shame shame yeah

2001
01:32:05,209 --> 01:32:02,760
it's on the inception radio network.com

2002
01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:05,219
inception radio network comm it's every

2003
01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:07,620
Thursday night and of course if you hear

2004
01:32:11,630 --> 01:32:09,300
it any time any of the archives and I

2005
01:32:15,740 --> 01:32:11,640
sit there and wrote cueing all that

2006
01:32:18,170 --> 01:32:15,750
stuff and on my heart radio it my show

2007
01:32:19,610 --> 01:32:18,180
is called night vision and I've been

2008
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:19,620
doing it for about 10 years

2009
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:23,520
and then I'm also as I said in

2010
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:26,850
development with my former partner I

2011
01:32:31,820 --> 01:32:28,530
guess is going to be my current partner

2012
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:31,830
again on this new project which we hope

2013
01:32:36,979 --> 01:32:34,290
will be a good follow along to the movie

2014
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:36,989
bloodline and a quarter people can find

2015
01:32:42,170 --> 01:32:39,330
you on facebook find me on Facebook or

2016
01:32:46,630 --> 01:32:42,180
also contact me through inception radio

2017
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:46,640
network.com Bay forward all emails to me

2018
01:32:53,570 --> 01:32:50,400
well thank you for Rene for dispensing

2019
01:32:56,420 --> 01:32:53,580
you this very enlightening information

2020
01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:56,430
and Brian you take it away there in

2021
01:33:00,919 --> 01:32:58,920
Scotland okay thank you very much guys

2022
01:33:02,060 --> 01:33:00,929
well there's a couple of things if

2023
01:33:03,919 --> 01:33:02,070
people want to get in count

2024
01:33:05,810 --> 01:33:03,929
like traumatic inducer that the pattern

2025
01:33:07,580 --> 01:33:05,820
of their phenomena magazine website you

2026
01:33:09,169 --> 01:33:07,590
know 4s and I'm going to I getting good

2027
01:33:11,450 --> 01:33:09,179
at UK they can go to get me through

2028
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,460
there and a couple of things on the

2029
01:33:16,910 --> 01:33:14,159
gorgeous no one involves the Nazca

2030
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:16,920
mummies what managed to access to them

2031
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:19,110
and but doing DNA profiling on them to

2032
01:33:21,890 --> 01:33:20,010
find out where they actually are

2033
01:33:24,410 --> 01:33:21,900
whereabouts leveraging it well we will

2034
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:24,420
have Steve on I guess the the yeah Alec

2035
01:33:28,339 --> 01:33:26,489
yes yes fascinating presentation this

2036
01:33:29,930 --> 01:33:28,349
nebula is really clear to clued up on

2037
01:33:31,879 --> 01:33:29,940
this the other thing is we've got the

2038
01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:31,889
phenomena project running as well which

2039
01:33:36,140 --> 01:33:34,380
is we will try to attempt to demonstrate

2040
01:33:38,060 --> 01:33:36,150
conclusively that we can communicate

2041
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:38,070
with entities on the other side and we

2042
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:39,780
would do it using and I think I'm going

2043
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:41,250
to advertise here Olympus digital

2044
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:43,920
recorders now the thing is these are no

2045
01:33:46,370 --> 01:33:44,730
EVPs

2046
01:33:49,459 --> 01:33:46,380
as you wish you would accept and these

2047
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:49,469
are things where the communication is as

2048
01:33:53,899 --> 01:33:51,810
clear as I'm talking to you and these

2049
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,909
are these are sensible answers to

2050
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:56,400
sensible questions we know we think we

2051
01:33:59,810 --> 01:33:57,840
know what the sent it is we're talking

2052
01:34:01,879 --> 01:33:59,820
to and what tempting to bring this as

2053
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:01,889
absolute proof of contact but with the

2054
01:34:04,220 --> 01:34:02,610
other side

2055
01:34:05,780 --> 01:34:04,230
well we matter we've got to have you but

2056
01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:05,790
we've got to have you back on the tour

2057
01:34:10,100 --> 01:34:08,550
now yeah yeah happy I'd be happy to do

2058
01:34:12,379 --> 01:34:10,110
that because this entity

2059
01:34:14,089 --> 01:34:12,389
I'm sure where it claims to be human I

2060
01:34:15,379 --> 01:34:14,099
don't think ever was human I think it's

2061
01:34:18,589 --> 01:34:15,389
something else that we can leave that

2062
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:18,599
for the show if you're a oh wow alright

2063
01:34:23,540 --> 01:34:21,090
well and anyway it's quickly approaching

2064
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:23,550
at midnight here on the East Coast and

2065
01:34:28,930 --> 01:34:25,650
don't forget the show will be up in the

2066
01:34:32,180 --> 01:34:28,940
archive and in a very brief a while and

2067
01:34:35,569 --> 01:34:32,190
please do check out our past episodes at

2068
01:34:37,879 --> 01:34:35,579
mr. ufos secret files that's our youtube

2069
01:34:39,620 --> 01:34:37,889
channel the books tonight we've been

2070
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:39,630
discussing hidden treasures of the

2071
01:34:44,780 --> 01:34:42,000
Knights Templar and Rosslyn Chapel and

2072
01:34:49,890 --> 01:34:44,790
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2073
01:34:56,170 --> 01:34:52,720
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2074
01:34:59,980 --> 01:34:56,180
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2075
01:35:02,890 --> 01:34:59,990
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2076
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2077
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2078
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2080
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